The Irony

[Rascal]

I personally found yesterdays round of posts by Dr. Foster interesting. Early on I sensed something in his tone, and was fairly obviously in attack mode. As much as everyone tried to maintain the level of the conversation to a certain level, Race seemed to have a different agenda (my opinion only).

In the midst of the rollercoaster of posts by him, I opted to send Race the following PM. For the record, this was sent at 9:49pm and I have not received a response. Also for the record, I only asked him one time.

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Race,

I was witness to an interesting and informative exchange today. I commend you and those that have a vision for a better industry.

These dialogs, as illustrated here, can transcend from their original purpose as they deviate from their original message. Emotions come into play and in the process members tread the line of "acceptable". You no doubt understand this as you praised the moderators this evening for their handling of the thread.

I bring this to your attention in hope that you will reconsider the action taken on Reef Central. If you will re-read those threads, you will certainly see that I never disrespected you or your companies. Truthfully, I am still baffled as to why I was banned.

If you are not willing or able to see things as I do, then so be it. I wish the best to each of us in our endeavors.

Regards

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To see then how his agenda escalated speaks volumes. Regardless, I just wanted to point out the double standard.

As an aside, I wonder if I'm the only one who made this observation...Races first post of the day was 8something am, and his last was after 2 am this morning. This from the guy who just a week ago asked if any of us ever worked.

And now on RC there's a question (to him) if that was actually even him making those posts. Is that truly even a consideration...that it could have been an imposter?

 

[Anonymous]

a: PM's are called PM's for a reason

b: is the function of this bb really to be a vehicle for carrying over gripes from another BB ?

i'd suggest you should keep you private conversations private, and not try to drag whatever personal issues you have into the public eye here :wink:


of course, if you think it's ok for others to post publicly whatever you may have PM'd them, carry on

 

[Rascal]

Vitz,

Read the PM. Nothing secretive. Nothing that I haven't already asked Race in the public forum. I afforded him the opportunity to address my question privately and he had obviously declined. I know he read it as that PM is now in the 'sent' folder.

Like I said, he likes to pick and choose his own fights, as well as where those fights will be.

 

[Rascal]

Regarding my 'gripe', I don't think the arena in which I choose to voice my opinion is the issue. Rather, my opinion is the issue.

Are you implying something else?

 

[JennM]

Well you can't ask him questions in RC now either -

Moderators please delete any further industry related questions as this is not the place.

Thank you , Race

How convenient

I guess we'll never get answers now. Oh well - life goes on

Jenn

 

[nanocat]

Vitz,

Read the PM. Nothing secretive. Nothing that I haven't already asked Race in the public forum. I afforded him the opportunity to address my question privately and he had obviously declined. I know he read it as that PM is now in the 'sent' folder.

Like I said, he likes to pick and choose his own fights, as well as where those fights will be.

Secretive or not, it's poor netiquette to repost ANY PM (PM=Private Message). Or else it would be called PM=Public Message now wouldn't it :roll:

 

[Len]

I believe Rascal's PM was his own. I totally agree that posting other people's private emails or messages is poor etiquette but I don't think this is the case in this situation.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure if I felt like posting a private message I sent I would be well withing my ethical right to do so. Are you honestly trying to tell me I can't morally share with the world what I myself sent in a private message?

Aren't there bigger issues to worry about than this? I mean really.

 

[Rascal]

I think the content might need to be taken into consideration when deciding to post a PM in the public forum...and I did. Again, there was nothing offensive, and there was nothing that hadn't already been asked here and on RC. I was only trying to offer him one last opportunity to address my question/concern. He negated that opportunity.

I only wanted him to address my original question - From 6 weeks ago - Why are his fish better than mine?

I truly don't know why anyone would want to 'defend' Dr. Foster at this point when he continues to poke people in the eyes with his agenda. This, directly from the source..."Our personal newsletters and websites will address industry related issues. They will not be discussed here ." Can it be any more blatant?

 

[Anonymous]

well -the point i'm trying to make is that if i had pm'd someone-i'd have pm'd them under the assumption that the message is private :idea:


why should anyone respond to you privately, if they have good reasonn to assume that their response won't remain so?

i think you'd be best off letting it go-badgering someone for a reply will usually get you nowhere anyway

 

[JennM]

Speaking for myself, I never put anything in text (either hand-written or online) that I don't expect anyone and everyone to read - whether the communication is private OR public.

Plenty of people share/forward emails, PMs and whatever else.

Mother always said, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all." While this may be a bit extreme, the words I live by are, "If you don't want the person you're talking about to know what you're thinking, don't tell a soul." Stuff just has a way of coming back to bite you in the ass that way.

Rascal posted his own PM, and nobody else's. It's his thoughts and his decision whether to make them private or public as he sees fit. He's broken no confidence here that I can see.

Rascal: His fish AREN'T better than yours -- or mine, or Kalk's... he just wants all his customers to think so. It's all just smoke and mirrors.

Jenn

 

[JennM]

well -the point i'm trying to make is that if i had pm'd someone-i'd have pm'd them under the assumption that the message is private :idea:

Heh you should spend some time on some soap opera message boards! First cardinal rule - any private communication may NOT remain private... so don't say anything you don't want the world to know

Bad netiquette or not - people do crap like that all the time. Like I said, I always assume that whatever I say will go around, public OR private.

Jenn

 

[JennM]

Oops double post

Jenn

 

[Rascal]

If you want an example of 'badgering', re-read the stuff from last night.

Vitz, respecfully, lets agree to disagree.

Jenn, re: the Drs. fish, you're not telling me anything I don't already know.

 

[nanocat]

well -the point i'm trying to make is that if i had pm'd someone-i'd have pm'd them under the assumption that the message is private :idea:

Heh you should spend some time on some soap opera message boards! First cardinal rule - any private communication may NOT remain private... so don't say anything you don't want the world to know

Bad netiquette or not - people do crap like that all the time. Like I said, I always assume that whatever I say will go around, public OR private.

Jenn

Exactly. I agree. They do it. That doesn't make it polite. Notice I didn't say it was unethical or immoral (sheesh, let's save those terms for something a bit more important), however among most on the net it is acceptable behavior to respect things passed privately. No different than using all caps can be viewed as impolite. Not a biggie, just an opinion.

 

[JennM]

Nobody disputed that it is impolite to post publicly, other people's private communications.

Rascal posted his OWN comments - his own discretion.

I'm simply saying that stuff sent "privately" has a nasty way of becoming "public" often to the author's chagrin. Is it right? No. Is it done? All the time. It's hardly relevant to the thread really, I was just making an observation that often times this little faux pas happens.

Jenn

 

[Anonymous]

Rascal: His fish AREN'T better than yours -- or mine, or Kalk's... he just wants all his customers to think so. It's all just smoke and mirrors.

That's an awfully fat worm you've got on your hook there, Jenn.

BTW, I agree with you. I doubt his fish are better than yours...as a matter of fact, the way you and JT hold them and care for them before they are sold makes them superior IMHO.

Peace,

Chip

 

[Anonymous]

i just don't get how 'hounding' someone and badgering them out into a more public setting can be expected to bring about the results you seek, re: getting a reply, - is all i'm saying

 

[JennM]

i just don't get how 'hounding' someone and badgering them out into a more public setting can be expected to bring about the results you seek, re: getting a reply, - is all i'm saying

Well there was a hell of a lot of badgering on here last night, Vitz. Some of which was deleted, but much of it is still here.

Goes both ways, my friend.

Jenn

 

[Rascal]

Chip,

That's a very nice compliment. And that is precisely the point I've been trying to make. As custodians to the livestock we sell, WE have the advantage over MO companies when it comes to quality. There is NO other possibility as long as all of the livestock is disseminated equally. If O2O, or any of the other wholesalers, is playing favorites, then THAT is the issue that needs to be addressed here.

(Sorry for the Caps).