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Hypostomus

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Yeah.

If I spent years looking for a fish (I'm about to start because I've always really wanted a Polypterus ansorgii and no one ever imports them) I would be all excited when I finally got it and I would post about it too.

In fact, I post about my regular fish arrivals. It's neat to get new things and people like to share the results of their efforts.
 
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Ok, that was just lame, mihai! It wasnt even a funny rant; it was depressing and tragic. Opposites of cool. Lamer.

Anywho, I know what youre saying, though. I cant understand the whole rarety-fixation in this industry, but I know several people around me that has that annoying bug... If I wasnt so aloof for being in Italy right now as I type this from an i-cafe, Id say I could smell a hint of jealousy and obsession in your post... Not like we all dont have similar faults, but moderation is a good virtue...

If you feel compelled to fire back, PM me. Ill be just as embarrassed for you, as though youd had publicaly humliated me without polluting the board. Honestly.
 
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Mihai":urgiofm7 said:
The only thing that makes this fish really special is that is rare.

...errr, I don't agree. Have you *looked* at the fish? It's awesome-looking. That's the #1 reason for my selecting any fish, and I'm sure the case is true here.

I got my polleni grouper because it's freaking purple and yellow. A grouper! Purple and yellow! Just cool-looking as hell. The fact that it's one of the rarest groupers is cool, too, but not the deciding factor. I know of plenty of rare fish that look like a brown turd. I could care less about those...it's not always about rarity.

Peace,

Chip
 
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of animals, photography, and the others on this board. Discuss as much as you want the photography, the animals, the positives and negatives of showing off said animals, but please let's keep it civil and leave the name-calling out of it.

Thanks,
Wik
 
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Sharkky":2vxqcylj said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of animals, photography, and the others on this board. Discuss as much as you want the photography, the animals, the positives and negatives of showing off said animals, but please let's keep it civil and leave the name-calling out of it.

Stay outta this, ya bloody mess!

Don't you have to lie down? What are you doing typing at the computer???

:P

Peace,

Chip, noting that a save-on-goal by Wik is *also* a rare fish... :P
 
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Hey, just because I flop like a fish out of water doesn't mean I don't make the saves. ;) Problem is I usually use my face to make them. :?
 

Mihai

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Kevin,

If they were really lots of them in the ocean at the prices you guys are ready to pay, there will be more collected.

If telling me to shut up is your best answer to my questions, that's pretty bad. I hoped you'll have more rational explanations. Really

Regarding the "jealousy and obsession"... far from me: I'm really looking forward to some Benggai Cardinals that I hope to breed someday. I was just trying to argue that this post goes against the entire idea of the RDO.
As far as I see it, the main idea of RDO is to educate hobbyists, to teach them best husbandry techniques, to avoid killing fishes and other sea creatures needlessly. To me, craving these rare fishes is just as irresponsible as having fishes that eat only corals or shrimps that eat only sea stars (unless you grow your own feeder corals or sea stars).

I admit that the fish looks good. However, there are TONS of fishes that look good. Look at a clown (really, any clown), or a fire goby. Really, lots of fishes look really good. I maintain my claim that what makes this fish look much better than others is the fact that is rare.

Anyway, my point is made, I'm ready for the next wave of "lame/sorry/jealous" and so on adjectives. Really, I don't mind. My main goal is to give convince you (mostly others really) to leave rare fish in the sea and not to give you some grief. If just one fish is left alone due to this thread, I'm fine with it.

All the best,
Mihai
 

monkeyboy

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Wow, this is unfortunate that this thread has randomly gone this way, but hey, I'm game.

Mihai":2vmozztb said:
Kevin,

If they were really lots of them in the ocean at the prices you guys are ready to pay, there will be more collected.
<C. Rhomboidalis is from deeper water in areas not usually collected from. On top of that they are commonly misidentified as C. Pylei (IME), and very few people know about them. They are not endangered where they come from, and are much like the Resplendent pygmy angel and Clarion angel, both common where they come from, infrequently imported, and commanding a very high price when they do show up. Although your heart's in the right place, you know nothing about this fish and are making some pretty large assumptions.>

If telling me to shut up is your best answer to my questions, that's pretty bad. I hoped you'll have more rational explanations. Really
<I don't know where the 'shut up' came from, but I do know that if you don't want to hear other members fish experience you certainly shouldn't come to the photography forum because you will likely be bombarded with it.>

Regarding the "jealousy and obsession"... far from me: I'm really looking forward to some Benggai Cardinals that I hope to breed someday.
<As my only rude comment in this thread, I would strongly reccomend that you learn how to spell the fish you are trying to breed before trying more complicated things.>

I was just trying to argue that this post goes against the entire idea of the RDO. As far as I see it, the main idea of RDO is to educate hobbyists, to teach them best husbandry techniques, to avoid killing fishes and other sea creatures needlessly. To me, craving these rare fishes is just as irresponsible as having fishes that eat only corals or shrimps that eat only sea stars (unless you grow your own feeder corals or sea stars).
<Again, you don't understand that in this hobby, 'rare' commonly has to do with how easy it is to get a certain critter imported. I nor the other members that search out 'rare' fish would be selfish enough to yank the few remaining individuals out of the ocean for viewing in our glass boxes.>

I admit that the fish looks good. However, there are TONS of fishes that look good. Look at a clown (really, any clown), or a fire goby. Really, lots of fishes look really good. I maintain my claim that what makes this fish look much better than others is the fact that is rare.
<Indeed you're right. I could have easily picked up a pair of yellow tail damsels and kept it under $10. Unfortunatly, people develop this thing called personal preference. I'm sick of seeing the same fish day in and day out since I've worked at an LFS for several years. Although the yellow tang is beautiful, I'd rather slit my wrists then let it take up a valuable 'slot' in my fish line-up since I see them CONSTANTLY. I've decided to search out some rare fish for my fish line-up, and have included the old stand-by's (hippo tang, flame angel, etc). This is not to say that I only like this fish because it's rare, I find it to be one of the most unique wrasses there is, with unmatchable color.>

Anyway, my point is made,
<Alas, you have made no point since your claim is unfounded.>

I'm ready for the next wave of "lame/sorry/jealous" and so on adjectives. Really, I don't mind. My main goal is to give convince you (mostly others really) to leave rare fish in the sea and not to give you some grief. If just one fish is left alone due to this thread, I'm fine with it.
<Haha, save the rhomboids!!! :roll: >

All the best,
Mihai


And with that, I think we should put this thread to an end since it's way off topic now.
 
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Hee! You're answering his post like a query..

Look, Mihai, can you admit that it's at least possible that the fish is rare BECAUSE of the difficulties of collection, or is there no room for that? What you're telling us is that one of the long-time members of the WWM crew is also going against the very grain and idea of the conscientious aquarist. I am here to tell you that Kevin is hardly that.

Kevin, I still think you should submit some pix to Bob. Lately there seem to be quite a few individuals writing in requesting permission to use photos, and there's always reimbursement. Oh! How about an article for Scott and Adam to use on this fish???
 
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Most species in the pacific are very widespread, and not many at all are on endangered species lists. Their cost is directly linked to how convenient their populations are to export locations. Also many fish are most commonly found at depths to great for free divers to access. The rhomboidalis occurs below 120 feet which is difficult for the mostly non-scuba fish collectors to access.

Interestingly, the Bangaii is on of the few with highly localized populations. I wouldn't buy one unless it was proven to be captive bred.
 
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Anonymous

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I wouldn't buy a Bangaii anyhoo. Personally, I think they're utt-bugly.
 

Mihai

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I stand corrected. And I apologize. You are right: after some minimal
research it seems that indeed while they are rarely offered they are
not a rare fish. This was the source of my confusion. I am sorry for
assuming the worst of you before checking out the facts. I also didn't
know that you were a member of the WWM crew: that would have made me
think twice before assuming things.


I hope you can see that I wasn't bad intentioned, just misinformed. I
guess that I need to learn a lot more in this hobby before I open my
mouth again.


Regarding Pterapogon kauderni (lesson learned :) ), I guess
that there is such a thing as personal preference: I find them
pretty. Especially when the dorsal fin is not nipped off. And of
course, I'll get them captive bred.

All the best, and sorry again,
Mihai
 

monkeyboy

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No problem Mihai. I've got a breeding pair of bangers in my display, and would be happy to to help you out w/ my personal experience with them!
 

Mihai

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Thanks for the offer. I'll take up on it once I get my pair. I'm still working at telling the sexes apart.

Mihai
 

krullulon

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it's a beautiful fish, and kudos to monkeyboy for getting something he's wanted so badly.

and absolutely this is the most appropriate place to brag, show-off, strut, and otherwise express excitement about a long-wanted critter.

i bragged about my rather dull (by comparative standards) pipe organ... i admit it!

the world hates a party-pooper. :)
 
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Like my grandmother always says (in a Spanish accent), "There's no accounting for taste." And Sharkk, if you think Banggais are ugly, you have no taste! :P

<runs away>

Mihai, you've got the Linux fish, I always knew there'd be hope for you. :P

<runs away faster, trips.. >

D'oh! 8O
 
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Anonymous

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Actually I prolly taste kinda salty at the moment. Just got back from a soccer match, busted nose and all. :D :D

Bangaiis aren't as bad as the other cardinal. You know, the one that looks like pieces of 3 different fish jammed together. Bleah!
 

fishfanatic2

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I gotta agree with Sharkky, cardinals really dont do it for me except for the flame one. They ahve all weird fins and they just sit around all day. :?
 
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Anonymous

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They look like some mutant form of cichlid to me. :shrug: To each his own I guess! :D
 

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