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I bought a ground probe from my LFS a while back, and just installed it... Anyone have any ideas on just how useful these things are? ABSOLUTELY necessary, or afterthought? Ive been running without one for a while now, but as I plugged it in, I noticed everything in my tank seemed to move a little faster, with a bit more "pick-up" than usual...
Any ideas and comments appreciated!
 
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Well they aren't absolutely necessary, as you yourself have demonstrated!

If you look around you can find some very long debates between people who know a lot more about electricity than I do, and they still don't have a clear conclusion.

It can't hurt and probably will help. I believe their presence will also make a GFCI circuit somewhat more effective as well.

If there is one thing you really must, must have, it's GFCI.
 

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You will see how usefull they are once you get a good shock when you put your hands in the tank.
I speak from experiance!

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You NEED to get one of these ASAP! (GFCI) This should be considered mandatory, in fact where I live the electrical code says it is mandatory on bathroom and kitchen circuits because of the proximity of water.

Also, you only need one per circuit. So if your tank is on the same circuit as a GFCI outlet you do not need another one near the tank, even if the GFCI outlet is in the other room. If you have two, you may run into a problem where the GFCI keeps tripping for no reason. Happened to me :) Thanks to my brother the electrician I removed the second one and presto no more trips!

GFCI = ground fault circuit interrupter



From Doityourself.com

Have you ever experienced an electric shock? If you did, the shock probably happened because your hand or some other part of your body contacted a source of electrical current and your body provided a path for the electrical current to go to the ground, so that you received a shock.

An unintentional electric path between a source of current and a grounded surface is referred to as a "ground-fault." Ground faults ground-fault. Ground faults occur when current is leaking somewhere, in effect, electricity is escaping to the ground. How it leaks is very important. If your body provides a path to the ground for this leakage, you could be injured, burned, severely shocked, or electrocuted.

In the home's wiring system, the GFCI constantly monitors electricity flowing in a circuit, to sense any loss of current. If the current flowing through the circuit differs by a small amount from that returning, the GFCI quickly switches off power to that circuit. The GFCI interrupts power faster than a blink of an eye to prevent a lethal dose of electricity. You may receive a painful shock, but you should not be electrocuted or receive a serious shock injury.

Availability of GFCIs

Three common types of ground fault circuit interrupters are available for home use:


Receptacle Type: This type of GFCI is used in place of the standard duplex receptacle found throughout the house It fits into the standard outlet box and protects you against "ground faults' whenever an electrical product is plugged into the outlet Most receptacle-type GFCls can be installed so that they also protect other electrical outlets further "down stream" in the branch circuit.

Circuit Breaker Type: In homes equipped with circuit breakers rather than fuses, a circuit breaker GFCI may be installed in a panel box to give protection to selected circuits The circuit breaker GFCI serves a dual purpose - not only will it shut off electricity in the event of a "ground-fault," but it will also trip when a short circuit or an overload occurs Protection covers the wiring and each outlet, lighting fixture, heater, etc. served by the branch circuit protected by the GFCI in the panel box.

Portable Type: Where permanent GFCls are not practical, portable GFCls may be used One type contains the GFCI circuitry in a plastic enclosure with plug blades in the back and receptacle slots in the f rant. It can be plugged into a receptacle, then, the electrical product is plugged into the GFCI. Another type of portable GFCI is an extension cord combined with a GFCI. It adds flexibility in using receptacles that are not protected by GFCls.
 

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GFCI- Ground Fault Current Interruptor.

Basically, this device looks at the hot leg and the neutral leg of the AC circuit that it is part of. And I believe (don't quote me on this), that if the two legs are more than 10 milliamps difference, the GFCI will trip (turn power off).

It really makes sense to use one of these for all power to your aquarium (atleast all electrical devices that are submerged in water). Currently, the NEC (Nation Electirc Code) requires GFCI circuits in bathrooms, kitchens, outdoor recepticles, etc. in residential places (homes). Reason being, these areas contain large bodies of non-pure water. So if someone were to drop an electrical device in this body of water, the GFCI would trip. This is in order to prevent someone/anyone from being electrocuted.

Now, your tank is a large (relatively) body of water. You are placing electrical devices in this large body of water. You are probably placing your hands in this large body of water while these electrical devices are running... Get the hint?!?

Hope this helps... Sorry for the long post...
 

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thanks so much all of you for such helpful and informative info!!!! (as you know I am new to this site)
I thought I already had one (the kind that is combined with an extension card). The guy at the lfs told us to get one like that (so we could plug more than one thing into it - cant remember the name of it). It was some combo thing it said like "grounded" maybe. That must have been what he meant.
Thanks again !!!
 

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me again - I remember that it said "grounded" and was also a surge protector- is that the same thing? If I through out the box, is there a way to know if it the right thing?
My son helps with maintenance so I am really concerned.
 
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The ground is just the 3rd (round) prong on the plug.

The GFCI is a switch that clicks off when something bad happens. They do sell them on extension cords, which might be what you have. If the cord has a couple of buttons on it like the picture then thats what you have. Those work fine.

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thanks for the picture - I guess that isn't what I have. so grounded isn't enough or the same thing. What is the purpose then of grounded? I will now head to home depot to get the "right" thing. Is it unusual that I we havne't been "shocked" yet since we don't have this? Could this be contributing to the Yellow Tang's lateral line erosion?
 

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what do you mean by "when something bad happens" (that the GFCI clicks off)? Is that like a power surge or overload? If we are not home and that happens, then the power kicks off and unless we switch the switch back on (we have gfi plugs in our house) the power is cut off, right?
 
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By something bad happening, I mean when an appliance (like a powerhead) malfunctions and starts leaking current into the water. You could then get a shock if your hand is in the water, and if you are well grounded (bare wet feet on concrete) it could kill you.

The GFCI will also click off power in other situations, such as if water is spilled on a powerstrip.

Power surge etc shouldn't affect a GFCI, but sometimes they can trip for reasons that are difficult to detect.

The power will stay off if you are away and that's a concern. I have my main pump on a separate circuit from everthing else, so it will stay on at least.

I destroyed a reef aquarium in a fire, and almost burned my house down. We were away on vacation, and I had no GFCI, which probably would have prevented the fire.

Grounded appliances are better than ungrounded, but it won't prevent you from getting a shock.
 

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very helpful - thanks

so I guess without the gfci then if we were to get a shock it could literally kill us (rather than a simple, uncomfortable zing)?
 
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With the GFCI you shouldn't feel anything, I think the power would cut off too quickly.

Without GFCI, you might feel a zing, or you might get killed. It depends on how well the electricity flows through you to the ground.
 

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thanks, bought the gfci today.

DanConnor, noticed you are in upstate ny as I am also. Do you shop at one store imparticular in the area? I do, as there seems to be just one with a lot of stock and some knowledgeable staff (can we metion the name?)
 

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