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8O 8O WOW, Everybody is right with there own opinions about light bulbs, There is a bulb for everything and with the right combo anything is possible, The statement was made thet MH were better for Rose bubble anemones, which is a false statement. Roes bubbles like to hide in dark spaces away from the light. :D :D 8) :)
 
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cjsrch":vtzj1pie said:
.no i was kicked off the board that shall not be spoken ( RC) and was going throu post withdraw :P

No, really?
 

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WRASSER":2bvzyovc said:
The statement was made thet MH were better for Rose bubble anemones, which is a false statement. Roes bubbles like to hide in dark spaces away from the light. :D :D 8) :)

...and of course, there are plenty of experienced reefers who will tell you the opposite - how their BTA did better when they switched to halides... ...thus the problem with absolute statements in a hobby where there are so many variables... :wink:
 
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I cant comment on vho vs. mh, never had any personal experience, but MH was recomended by many people on 3 different boards I go to that had no reason to "sell" me anything. I went with the mh.
On my own, I read some articles on par, depth of light and penetration and EXPERIENCES of people who KNOW a lot more than I do about this subject that have actual RESEARCH and FACTS regarding how coral grow and thrive under different lights.
If you want sps, you SHOULD use MH, especially in a larger tank. Can ya use VHO? Sure, in a shallower tank, but they simply, as far as I have read, don't have as great an influence on the coral as mh.
People will have different experiences, and Im sure there are beautiful tanks using only VHO.
I think your problem is you came on a bit strong and acted like you are the end all-be all of lighting and didnt even take the time to back it up. I dont think you need an education so much about lights as you do about being a part of an open discussion in a public forum.
 

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Thank you ct... I was going to say something to that effect. cj's initial post was IMO, tactless, rude and agressive and contained no evidence to back up the claims made therein. Then he demanded proof for the claims of others without presenting evidence to back up his own ideas.

It all reeked of a troll.

J.
 

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Kicked off the other forums? With all the typos and obnoxious comments id say you were drunk starting this thread cjsrch.

Anyone care to explain why the VHO high kelvin bulbs tend to be a nasty purple color compaired to my blue halides?

Playing with halides has lead me to realize that measuring kelvin isnt even a sure way to know its color, ushio 10k looks different than a xm 10k.

maybe we can get some useful info in here....

-CV
 

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ohh theres somthing i know about alittle. the vho actinics are much more efficiant then the mh 20k


i have family over am real busy dont care for doing research now but that dosnt mean i wont.


btw any one ever beene to gumbolimbo park in boca. ill post about it else where. there tanks are maintained by someone else and are falling apart
 

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I find it funny that a noob such as yourself, one year into the hobby wow, can make such statements never having owned metal halides. Your statements completely lack credability.
 

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Wow I couldnt even finish reading this post. I just spent a grand on 400W MH, HQI. For my new 150 reef being setup. The best answer to what everyone is saying is basically if your a cheapskate this isnt the hobby for you. Who cares about an electric bill and bla bla bla. If you want to be cheap just keep fish they dont care about the dam light.
Peace
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cjsrch

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a grand for just 400 watts? hatre to say it you got ripped off.

unless you mean one of those that come with the suplemental lights and more tehn one mh ( like the stuff esu makes)
 

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being non point source lighting it is much harder to read them w/ any meter. with mh you can stick it right next to the light. w/ vho you would need a very big probe the length of the bulb :P never seen one of those lol
 
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cjsrch":b8c49ot8 said:
a grand for just 400 watts? hatre to say it you got ripped off.

unless you mean one of those that come with the suplemental lights and more tehn one mh ( like the stuff esu makes)

Still waiting for the support for the claims you have made in this thread that you said you would get us last week.
 
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cjsrch":28fasvf5 said:
being non point source lighting it is much harder to read them w/ any meter. with mh you can stick it right next to the light. w/ vho you would need a very big probe the length of the bulb :P never seen one of those lol

This is untrue. The probe registers what hits it and its intensity, point source or no. MH has a 'bright spot' while VHO has the same intensity along the length of the bulb.
 

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Righty":u8itx9u7 said:
Still waiting for the support for the claims you have made in this thread that you said you would get us last week.
we'll be waiting for a long long time. I dont believe this kid even has a tank of his own.
 

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"In the Marine Society meetings that LeRoy and I presented we learned some valuable facts that I feel need to be shared with you. I have been strongly pushing VHO lighting after your system has grown coralline algae and is ready for some serious coral grow out. I must stay I have had my share of debates over this topic, considering the investment made by many when doing what the books tell them and putting medal halides over their tanks. Stanley Brown reported that there was a sps coral raising challenge that allowed anyone to enter to see what conditions the sps corals would grow best in. The one person who wanted to partake in this venture who had VHO's was almost turned away because it was felt at that time that those lights could not sustain these animals. All other entries where MH lighting. Guess who won, this test was run for an entire year and yes!!!!! go VHO, it grew the corals bigger, healthier and more colorful.

When looking at my systems I know that result to be true it was just great to know that a test was completed and the results tallied and the VHO's won. Another important fact that has come back to us in the past week. We have been donating one of every coral at the foundation to the Pittsburgh Zoo for them to grow and identify as to species and origin of the corals. Jim Prappus reported back that the propagated corals are growing faster than other corals in the system. The cuttings from these corals are now being passed onto other Public Aquariums. This is the most exciting news I think any of us who want to farm should be aware of and bank on. " http://www.garf.org/news18p1.html


still llooking around. your right. i dont have a tank well there is no water in it. i just moved and go rid of all the fish/inverts/ coral.. i am waiting for my new 150 to come :)
 
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cjsrch":3f6l3lfh said:
"In the Marine Society meetings that LeRoy and I presented we learned some valuable facts that I feel need to be shared with you. I have been strongly pushing VHO lighting after your system has grown coralline algae and is ready for some serious coral grow out. I must stay I have had my share of debates over this topic, considering the investment made by many when doing what the books tell them and putting medal halides over their tanks. Stanley Brown reported that there was a sps coral raising challenge that allowed anyone to enter to see what conditions the sps corals would grow best in. The one person who wanted to partake in this venture who had VHO's was almost turned away because it was felt at that time that those lights could not sustain these animals. All other entries where MH lighting. Guess who won, this test was run for an entire year and yes!!!!! go VHO, it grew the corals bigger, healthier and more colorful.

Link to the test? Anything more recent than 1998?

When looking at my systems I know that result to be true it was just great to know that a test was completed and the results tallied and the VHO's won. Another important fact that has come back to us in the past week. We have been donating one of every coral at the foundation to the Pittsburgh Zoo for them to grow and identify as to species and origin of the corals. Jim Prappus reported back that the propagated corals are growing faster than other corals in the system. The cuttings from these corals are now being passed onto other Public Aquariums. This is the most exciting news I think any of us who want to farm should be aware of and bank on. " http://www.garf.org/news18p1.html

Link to the test? Anything more recent than 1998?
 

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