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Simon Garratt

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Batt, OzoneparkGuy is correct. In truth there isnt realy any salt thats desighned for fish only as it were. (its a bit of an old wives tale that still circulates through the hobby that this or that salt isnt to be used with full reefs and SPS etc)

I know many people who have had just as much success with IO in SPS systems over a great many years as I do people who have used other brands that are alledged to be better. Myself included.

I now use H20Cean, but ran IO for well over 10 years.

A couple of pictures of my old 200 gallon that was run from start to finish on IO.

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to be honest, the crucial factor with any salt is to understand its limitations. Some salts although slightly lower in major elements like Ca and Mg etc may actually be more 'in balance' across the range relative to salinity, compared to some other salts that have artificialy elevated levels of say Mg or Ca alone. Whack a ca reactor on the lesser salt to boost things up a bit and you have a very stable system, compared to some elevated brands that suffer imbalances through instability when trying to pack more into the mix.

Salt is a huge subject to be honest. I agree some brands are better than others when you start looking at the differences between the very cheapest and most expensive brands but by and large the 'better' bit is more to do with how the keeper wants to run thier tank and manage supplimentation than the actual salt itself in many cases.

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Randy.:eek:......to be honest I toyed with various methods and just came to the conclusion that the water jug method was the only realy practicle way of calibrating at a known measurable temp. Ive tried it with a few different refractometers and the differences in reading on some that are calibrated out of the recommended temp setting are quite shocking to be honest....One cheap chinese model that was calibrated at 15c against its recommended 20c was reading 40ppt against a true 35ppt when recalibrated at the correct temp. that is a huge error factor. If you werent aware, you could quite easily be running a reef at 30ppt thinking you were at 35ppt with all sorts of deprivation problems occuring.

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pecan2phat

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Personally, I use IO for both my reef & fowlr tanks and do not think there is anything wrong with their formulation other then adding a little calcium chloride to boost the calcium levels.
Here is a chart that was posted on RC in 2008 by member Billybeau1

Here is a list of what I measured for the big three in a number of the salt mixes we use today. This is intended as a guideline and I, in no way, guarantee these figures. All I can say is they were all tested under the same conditions, with a number of different brand test kits, using the same methods for each test. I believe these numbers are reasonably what you can expect from these salts mixed at 35 ppt or 1.0264

A special thanks to Bertoni for putting it in nice form.



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tomtoothdoc

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Simon Garratt,
wow....thank you for posting the info. on the refractometer. i suppose i have the cheap chinese made brine model. who sells the sea water model stateside?
a couple of questions
1. any suggestion of how to maintain the bucket at 68F for 15-20 min? even with the a/c on, the ambient room temp is about 76F....the outside has been in the 90's. don't think the ice in the bucket would sustain a steady 68F for 20 min.......i suppose i can sit and gradually add ice as the temp rises.
2. do i still need to subtract the reading 1-1.5 ppt after calibrating to 000 at 68F?
3. is there a cross reference chart of how temperature at calibration time affect the true reading using the brine refractometer? if the refractometer is calibrated at 78F instead of 68F, how does that effect the true reading?
for example. let say my cheap chinese brine model was calibrated to 000 at 78F and i mixed the water to 35 ppt at 78F, what could the actual value be?....damn, this sounds like the math test from grade school.....lol.
 

OzoneParkGuy

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Batt... 11 is in the high range, still acceptable, still doesnt mean he should change salts or that was the reason why his alk went up. You have to remember that with-in a 24hr period alk and calcium will start to drop after a wc. Especially if you are just topping off with RODI water and not supplimenting anything to it. It's diff strokes for different folks ya know what I mean. 6-8 is fine for your tank, but not for mine. I believe his mag is off and like i stated earlier suggest he test for it to determine. Or just let his top off bring his alk down on its own.... JMO
 

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11 can cause tip burn in sps if you didnt now that and slow grow as well.
NSW conditions is 6 to 8 dkh why change it to 8 your just stressing the corals out this way yes it will get us to the change but wont grow as fast and have a bright color as it would in NSW conditions.
 

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To be honnest with you I havent had any slow growth with corals, or any type of burnt tips on my sps. Run at 11 on Alk and 500 on Ca++ Guess like I said, things work differently for folks. Hope you didnt take my posting as an attack because it wasn't, just curious as to why things work differently for people.
 

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Well new tank setup since March 17 or the 18 of 2010, 4 months up and running havent reached 6 months yet, and you want to compare. LOL!! OK, 1 inch frags of SPS hmm let me think, I say about the same or a little less but with branching stalks and depends on the coral condition aswell. You know, thanks for that little extra push Batt... I should start a record of what corals I buy, take a pic, and show them off in 6 months. Yeah I like that idea. Let me see if I find a before and after for you.
Opps I looked back and my 120 tank has been up 6months.
 
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OzoneParkGuy

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BEFORE Spongodes

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Hey Batt really unlikely your going to get 4 inches in 2 months in an enclosed system. Thats why I said I get a little less. When in the the big ocean, a colony can grows 6 -8 inches in 6 months. Nat Geo baby!!
 

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