how many fish

[Hyolee]

OK,

this is a funny thread. Age has nothing to do with intellect. One tends to become wiser with age, but this is not always the case. how do you explain bobby fisher, the kid who beat the hardcore russian chess masters, or those 17 year old geniuses who go to med school? Are they dumber than 40 year olds who don't even have a high school diploma?

Bashing on someone for cycling a tank with an eel is understandable but age has nothing to do with it.

 

[Ben1]

Monkeyboy dont you think advice on what would be the proper food would have been better?

Of course feeder fish arnt the right food, Monkeyboy is correct they will not work long term. Try froozen silver sides. Get a feeding tong, clip the silverside on the tong and move it slowly back and forth by the eel. When he snaps at it let it go. He will grow fast, and out grow a 55. I had mine in a 90, which he out grew. Actually all the fish in my old 90 out grew it. I also made bad choices. I had the snowflake, 2 peacock lionfish, 2 groupers. This was what my LFS sold me after selling me the 90. All outgrew the tank with in 1 1/2 years and I was forced to sell all the fish I was attached to. Making wise selection the first time was a lesson I learned from that.

 

[sawcjack00]

This thread is really funny

 

[newreefman1]

Wow ...i was thinking maybe ya had a snowflake eel. You have a moray eel in that 55?
How cruel indeed.

Patience young skywalker as the force may be strong within, but whats leakin out is a bit misguided.

 

[Nameless]

As a newbie in the hobby, I have to say I sympathize with him. After hearing five different stories from five different people, I can see where a young person may have a tough time deciding what advice to follow.

I don't think you guys are helping by ripping on him either.

However, under the category of constructive advice, in my limited experience in this hobby, I would say only make one change every two weeks, until you really know what you're doing. That way, if you run into trouble, you likely know what the problem is, and as a result, how to fix it.

I have to admit, though, sitting there watching a mostly empty tank cycle is pretty boring, but that's how it goes.

FOLLOW THE TWO WEEK RULE!!!! Your fish and your mom's wallet will be much happier.

 

[reefatic]

Dude, chill out. You are re-enforcing everyones negative opinions of you with your defensive and childish posts. You have to concede that perhaps the collective knowledge here could be of some benefit to you in this hobby. Take a second to learn from those of us who made the same mistakes that you are making. Let us be the ones who wasted the money and livestock. We know what we are talking about. 6 weeks is a drop in the bucket when it comes to this hobby. These tanks take months and years to mature to a stable point. At this stage, what I would do is keep up with regular water changes, get a skimmer, read as much as you can, and enjoy what you currently have. In a couple of months, you will be ready to add some more life to your set-up, but patience is your best friend here. If you really want to add some more fish to the tank, get rid of the eel. They grow quickly, produce a ton of waste, and are aggresive to tank mates. Contrary to what you are currently thinking, you don't know everything at 17, I know, I thought I did at the time as well. One of the most important things that you learn as you get older is that you don't know very much. Trust me.

 

[chris_h]

Do you think kirtis is John@Caroline or Cirus? Mabey he finally got smart enough to lie about his location.

 

[danmhippo]

I doubt it, J@C is much more annoying than this..... (besides, J@C, being bashed so many times, should know the nitrogen cycle pretty well by now!)

 

[tazdevil]

MY ADVICE don't take everything or anything you here from your LFS as being gold! My personal experience was with one that was supposed to be one of the best, yet they push w/d filtration, heavily recommend rio's as the pump of choice, and tell you dsb's are disasters waiting to happen. Read, get as much pre knowledge as possible, take EVERY opinion with a grain of salt, AND BE READY FOR SOME SETBACKS (the fewer the better). Start a log of every additive, fish added, ph, nitrate,trite,ammonia readouts . This is a start. The other chems. are good to monitor in a reef or fowlr tank as well. (calcium etc.)

 

[kirtis]

yeah it is a snowflake, i just thought they was classified under morays , i mean they are on websites anyway, so these silver sides which i am suppossed to feed the eel , where can i get th em at , are they live fish????

 

[Katspaw]

Kirtis,
silverside are frozen fish, you can pick them up at your LFS. Please defrost the fish in a cup of tank water before trrying to feed it to your eel.

Oh and a general rule for a saltwater tank,
F/O --1" of fish per 2 gallons of tank water volume, that eel of yours makes your tank too small
reef/fish system----1" of fish per 6 gallons of tank water
You must calculate the adult size of the animal. Example: snowflake eel gets to an adverage size of 30"s as an adult, you can safely house about 25 inches in a fish only system of your tank size with excellant skimming and filteration.Get the idea. Next time you can yalk your mom into spending money a very good book is The Conscientious Marine Aquarist by Robert Fenner. Very informative.

Tracey

[ November 05, 2001: Message edited by: Katspaw ]</p>

 

[kirtis]

ok thanks, snowflake eels are classified as morays , it is under this site, thanks again aobut hte food

 

[Ben1]

Echidna nebulosa also known as the snowflake moray, so yes it is classified as a moray. Max length 29.5" yet Scott Michael's recommends them in a 30 gallon tank. I still agree though this eel will qiuckly outgrow your tank.

 

[Mike106]

Yeah, I agree.... Kirtis=John@Caroline. Same tone and topics with the quickly cycled tanks and purposeful flame questions. Also, other new names on the board arguing with him/himself.

 

[danmhippo]

Mike, If I remembered right, its john@carline, not caroline!

 

[Anonymous]

When you speak of "outgrowing" a tank you must take into consideration the behavior of the animal. A 30" eel and a 30" angel are two completely different animals. The eel would do fine in 48" tank. On the other hand it is possible to "outgrow" the filtration system. But that is much more easily upgradeable than the tank. Sure he's a newbie and he has made all of the classic newbie mistakes. But unlike most he's here asking questions. That is at least a small step in the right direction. Everybody just chill out for a sec.

 

[Anonymous]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Mike106:
<strong>Yeah, I agree.... Kirtis=John@Caroline. Same tone and topics with the quickly cycled tanks and purposeful flame questions. Also, other new names on the board arguing with him/himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah, JC's posts weren't quite so hyper. Actually, his tone reminds me of JC's arch-nemisis - LANDSCAPEN.

 

[Jase]

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz??

 

[Rich-n-poor]

personally I think we should appoint kirtis a moderator on this BB his wealth of knowledge expierence and insight into fast tank cycling methods would eliminate the need for patience on the part of newcomers and our ranks would grow by leaps and bounds
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[GMH320]

I have to stop reading this thread, people are starting to come into my office asking me why I'm laughing so loud...Kirtis...rock on!