Niger Trigger reef safe?

[TheZooFarmer]

Minh I must respectfully disagree. At this point I have no definition nor opinion. I am quoting no less then 8 different sources yet I have not seen a single source that contradicts these 8.

Minh can you find anyplace that says the niger trigger is reef safe?

 

[Anonymous]

You want to discuss Petco now? I won't engage you in this diatribe anymore, so now you're looking for more conflict?
What are doing, sitting there spending hours searching my posts from MONTHS ago trying to find something with which to make an insult? :lol:
There is a name for this sort of behavior you know...

Lets reel it in here OK? Calm down, go get something to drink, maybe some fresh are. Move on. Start a Petco thread if you want later.



Cheers
Jim

 

[Len]

Can you two please take it to PM if you guys insist on perpetuating this squabble? The community would really appreciate it.

Back to the topic:
Zoofarmer, plenty of people who have kept Niger triggers have said in this thread that they don't bother corals. Minh is right on: it's a semantic issue about what defines "reef safe."

 

[TheZooFarmer]

jim it is not a dumb statement to say not to trust thousands of employees at hundreds of stores? Is it not possible that one of the thousands of employees might know what they are talking about?

I love reading peoples posts, it tells so much about them. I have learned that you rent, cant afford live rock, worked at a LFS, recently purchased your first halides, did not know how to operate your Euroreef ( I was an authorized dealer and have spoken to Jeff many times on the phone), did not know where to place a clam in your tank, never heard of a titan trigger, amongst other things. Your words do more harm to yourself then I could ever do!

BTW how are those links coming?
You have posted 3 more times without one, I wonder why????????????

 

[Len]

Zoo, if you can't post civilly, you won't be posting at all. Please be respectful of others.

 

[Minh Nguyen]

Zoo,
If you agree that reef safe means that the animal is not likely to bites corals, then Niger trigger is reef safe. IMO, this is Jim's definition of reef safe. You on the other hand, feel that Niger trigger is not reef safe due to their large size, aggressive ness and their tendency to make meals out of smaller mobile animals (almost any fish or shrimp in home aquarium will be smaller than an 18 inches fish).
Scott Michael stated in his book that Niger Trigger is "harmless to corals". As I pointed out before, the mouth shape make it almost impossible for the Niger Trigger to bite, or pick things off of the reef structure unless he swim up side down.
Although I did not read through all of your references, I am sure that none of these site state that the Niger Triggers are not reef safe because they eat corals. IMO and IME, Niger trigger is a huge fish that will eats smaller fishes and crustaceans. For that reason, I choose not to put one into my reef. I have seen several smaller Niger Triggers in reef tanks without significant problems. If well fed, and put in last, they will not bother smaller fishes like damsels, Royal Gramma ect. If there is an established larger (5+ inches) Niger trigger in a reef, any smaller fish add into the tank will not last for 15 minutes because Niger Trigger is an extremely fast swimmer, and a very aggressive feeder.
Common guys, I think both of you are right, and that your position is essentially the same. It seems from your posts, that we have a fist fight if you both in the same room right now.
Minh

 

[Anonymous]

Zoo,
You are confused on a few of those issues. Regardless, please stick to the topic, and keep it real. I'm suprised Len is allowing you to go as far as you have quite frankly.
I have no desire to argue any further, on any issue. This is childish, and frankly it's an energy drain.
I have better things to do.

Minh,
I agree with your post before this last one, however it isn't the ONLY problem. Dysfunctional communication is the other part...
Good post above - thanks.
On another note, nice to hear from you. Keep us updated on you situation (new tank? etc)

Peace
Jim

 

[jamesw]

Yes, I'm pleased to see you back as well Minh. Hope all is well down in CC!

FWIW, I think it would be great if everyone could take note of what Len has posted in this thread - words to go by. Rather than just ignoring him.

I think that plankton eating triggers such as Niger, Bluethroat, and Pinktail are really cool fish. Neither of those 3 have I ever seen eat a coral. They will go after crabs and decorative shrimp though. Although some of them seem to know not to eat cleaner shrimp.

Cheers
James

 

[Len]

Hehe, what did I say that qualifies as "words to go by?"

Don't answer that; I like the mystic

 

[Anonymous]

fish's reef compatibility, whether or not the fish eats zooplankton in the wild is of ZERO relevance.

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement.

I think what Minh mentioned about the mouth shape of Xanthichthys and Odonus triggers and what SM and Jim mentioned about their wild feeding habits are all important points. They certainly don't have ZERO relevance...in the Angel family Pomacanthidae, it's ENTIRELY relevant which angels are reef safe, and which aren't. The zooplanktivores in the genus Genicanthus are pretty much universally considered to be reef safe, while the substrate pickers in Pomacanthus, Holocanthus, etc. are all outright predators of corals or at least have coral eating tendencies.

 

[Anonymous]

looks like keeping_it_real found his way back.
keeping it real sold euroreefs for a while too right?
the guy that got all bent out of shape about color changes
of a convict tang?

 

[Anonymous]

Heck Len, everything you say is words to go by. 'bows to one knee'
Oh mystic leader.... :wink:

Jim

 

[Pirate]

Let me just say that I came back to look at this post due to email alerts. No surprises here, I rest my case !

 

[Anonymous]

What was your case again?

 

[Anonymous]

Hehe, I thought this was a funny link...
Here's what else they have to say about Odonus niger:

Relative Size:  Larger Than Average
    (as compared to other saltwater fish)

What a great source of information :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Heehee, there is your typical internet bit of infomation. 8O
What is the link?

Jim

 

[Expos Forever]

Color: Blacker than Average
(as compared to other saltwater fish)

 

[Len]

Pirate,
I'd love to speak to you via email about your concerns. I am trying to understand your point of view and am unclear about what reputation you referred to in your first post in this thread. For the last 2 years, this has been one of the most friendly and helpful communities that I've had the pleasure to participate in (minus Sumpers ... they don't count ). I'm curious why you've critically judge this community based on one thread, and more specificially, one member's behavior (a member who is not a regular contributer, no less). I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from so that we can work together to improve this community for everyone.

I think lots of useful info has been posted in this thread. I agree that some of it got muddled up with hostility which no one condones or appreciates. Thankfully, this is a very rare occurance.

 

[Minh Nguyen]

Yes, I'm pleased to see you back as well Minh. Hope all is well down in CC!

...
Cheers
James

On another note, nice to hear from you. Keep us updated on you situation (new tank? etc)

Thigs are great here. I just got an Ampmaster 3000 today via UPS. I will use this as my new return pump (too much flow with the 4700). I will use the two AquaSea 4700 for two closed loops. The plumbing will be finish this weekend. The light will be finish this weekend also. I hope to go to Houston to hunt for corals and fishes in a few weeks.
I will get a bunch of coral frags here in CC also.
Thanks,
Minh

 

[jamesw]

Drop me a line when you are coming up to Houston. Maybe we can go to some fish stores together.

Cheers
James