Eric Borneman coral controversy

[Liquid4ce]

So what would you like to see done about it? ... huh?

 

[Anonymous]

It does not matter.

Ultimately this fiasco is just old news... All three parties, Borneman, the Sanctuary, and Reef Savers played equal roles in a well intentioned project gone wrong.

You are mistaken.

Mr. Borneman and Reef Savers are not mandated to protect our natural resources.
Only the Sanctuary is responsible for that. Only the Sanctuary is required to check credentials and stories, and they are the ones responsible for seeing that our natural resources are used for the public good.
Issuing permits, after the fact, for protected corals to go to a facility that's main purpose is to culture corals for the pet industry, is not protecting that natural resource.
Unless the Sanctuary wants to change the rules and allow pet shops to start selling protected corals.

sihaya handed the right people/organizations this information on a silver platter. Information that they did not have or know of prior to this.

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[Liquid4ce]

It does not matter.

I guess not, if your agenda is just to smear peoples reputations and gossip all day long. I would think if you were truly concerned you'd want some accountability and changes made to the policies and procedures at the Federal level. But that's just me...

 

[sihaya]

sihaya handed the right people/organizations this information on a silver platter. Information that they did not have or know of prior to this.

Are you serious?!? Is that what that letter was?! Um... I'm not sure I knew that's what I was signing up for. 8O (You know, this is starting to feel a little like the RC fiasco all over again. I get a little information, give it to a few people and the next thing I know...)

LOL ::sigh:: Well, in any case, I think this thread is at least an hour past due of closing.

 

[Liquid4ce]

I will be closing it by 4/9/07 @ 12:00PM PST

 

[Anonymous]

It does not matter what I would want.

The wheels are in motion, the people/groups that did not know about it, know now.
They will take their time, be sure they have it all, and present their case.

I will not present their case.

No one smears someone's reputation, they do that all on their own.

 

[Anonymous]

Are you serious?!? Is that what that letter was?!

Yes Mam

 

[Liquid4ce]

I will not present their case.

No one smears someone's reputation, they do that all on their own.

LOL... You've been doing nothing but presenting a case for the last several days. A few pages ago I said you were delusional... Are you? I posted it in a public forum... Whether it's true or not, I smeared your screen name :lol: When you do the same and mention real names, especially when you're not privy to everything that happened, it's smearing someones reputation. Do you see?

 

[Anonymous]

Not at all. My case has and always will be;

Ultimately this fiasco is just old news... All three parties, Borneman, the Sanctuary, and Reef Savers played equal roles in a well intentioned project gone wrong.

You are mistaken.

Mr. Borneman and Reef Savers are not mandated to protect our natural resources.
Only the Sanctuary is responsible for that. Only the Sanctuary is required to check credentials and stories, and they are the ones responsible for seeing that our natural resources are used for the public good.
Issuing permits, after the fact, for protected corals to go to a facility that's main purpose is to culture corals for the pet industry, is not protecting that natural resource.
Unless the Sanctuary wants to change the rules and allow pet shops to start selling protected corals.

sihaya handed the right people/organizations this information on a silver platter. Information that they did not have or know of prior to this.

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Mr. Borneman will just be collateral damage.


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[Liquid4ce]

You like that "collateral damage" thing don't you? :lol: I'm not talking specifically about Borneman though... the other players at the Sanctuary are mentioned by name as well on Sara's site, and you've condemned them publicly. Still not quite there yet huh?

 

[Anonymous]

The facts will lay blame where the facts lay blame. No one can help that.
No one can change the facts.

It does not matter what I would want.

The wheels are in motion, the people/groups that did not know about it, know now.
They will take their time, be sure they have it all, and present their case.

I will not present their case.

No one smears someone's reputation, they do that all on their own.

 

[Liquid4ce]

The facts will lay blame where the facts lay blame. No one can help that.
No one can change the facts.

Can't argue that. But since you don't know all the facts, dragging people through the mud in a public forum is irresponsible.

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[Anonymous]

These are the facts:

Ultimately this fiasco is just old news... All three parties, Borneman, the Sanctuary, and Reef Savers played equal roles in a well intentioned project gone wrong.

You are mistaken.

Mr. Borneman and Reef Savers are not mandated to protect our natural resources.
Only the Sanctuary is responsible for that. Only the Sanctuary is required to check credentials and stories, and they are the ones responsible for seeing that our natural resources are used for the public good.
Issuing permits, after the fact, for protected corals to go to a facility that's main purpose is to culture corals for the pet industry, is not protecting that natural resource.
Unless the Sanctuary wants to change the rules and allow pet shops to start selling protected corals.

sihaya handed the right people/organizations this information on a silver platter. Information that they did not have or know of prior to this.

.

 

[Liquid4ce]

LOL ::sigh:: Well, in any case, I think this thread is at least an hour past due of closing.

Don't feel bad about missing this... When I look at it from your frame of mind, I can see where you might honestly believe there's only one time zone... the one you're in.

 

[Liquid4ce]

These are the facts:

So you keep saying :roll:

 

[fcmatt]

liquid4ce, man you give me a headache. you conversation consists
of one liners for the last two pages. how many times will you
need clarification of the last 37 pages? and may i mention that
little cat picture with punching paws, well it is dumb.

vitz, you argue about the wierdest points.

len even i am sick of this thread now!

 

[Liquid4ce]

liquid4ce, man you give me a headache.

len even i am sick of this thread now!

:lol: I was sick of this thread before I started posting to it... Take some advil

 

[Anonymous]

little cat picture with punching paws, well it is dumb

No avatar at all is just dull.

 

[MrAnderson]

i dunno, didn't some dude dream up an idea about using old tires to build reefs? that destroyed hectares of reef, and that "technique" employed worldwide has been devastating.

all he did was say "my bad" and all was well...

anyhow,

CIBTL?

 

[andybeats]

The facts will lay blame where the facts lay blame. No one can help that.
No one can change the facts.

Can't argue that. But since you don't know all the facts, dragging people through the mud in a public forum is irresponsible.

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in crackers defense, he/she has pretty much been stating the same thing through this whole thread, you say he has been draggin someones name through the mud, thats just silly, he has been saying the same thing, that everyone that has posted to this thread agrees on, corals were collected, given to someone that didnt have the ability to care for them, and many corals in bad shape were returned, all the who's and what's are debatable, but that all will be sorted out, hopefully.