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I believe, in this context, "The Industry" should also include the consumer (me). At each point in the chain there is some culpability. Without the demand that the consumer creates, this would not be an issue at all.
 

naesco

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Steve your post is sheer nonsense

You must face two realities Steve.

1. Despite the efforts of many NGOs and personal committments of people like you cyanide continues to be a devastating problem. It is not an option to continue destroying the reefs while well intentioned persons dilly dally with a lttle netting here and a little training there.
When cyanide is at an end, fishers are trained and netting supplied the imports will reopen.

2. The Philippine and Indonesian fisheries will be shut down until such time as CDT testing is available. Certified net caught fish and aqua cultured fish will be exceptions

Your personal attack in your post is wholly unjustified.
When army bases closes, people suffer. When polluter industries are forced to close, people suffer. When the cyanide fisheries are closed, people will suffer and the only thing to do is to provide a safety net for them on the short term funded internationally, training and netting and laying a sustainability plan that ensures their future.

Unlike polluter industries that close and close forever, the minute cyanide stops, the reefs begin their repair and in a few years the renewed reefs teem with fish and coral under the nurturing hand of their caretakers, the proud hard working citizens of the Philippines.

In addition, Steve, they may have legal recourse both against the cyanide cartel and their US based cohorts. Damages would be in the multi millions.
 

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Wayne,
I told you you had no safety net in mind. That was just thrown in to softpeddle the decree.
The destruction of peoples livlihood so suit your whims is ridiculous.
Especially when the semi-green movement has tolerated, profited from and cooperated with the cyanide trade for so long.
It is their complicity and incompetence that futhered it and allowed it to remain. Divers will change. Its the foreigners that won't.
MAMTI and MAC hope to accomplish by legal and political coercion that which they failed to do in the field...despite the willingness of the fisherman to change.
Your defense of the cyanide trade thru perpetuating false prophets and environmentalism for your own theraputic needs is lame.
Why kill when you can convert?
You have no answer.
Steve
PS. And why ruin the netsman that work legally? They'd all be shutdown as well.
 

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No Steve, I do have the answer!

ITS OVER


Accept the inevitable, adopt the new reality and move ahead.
The cyanide trade is finished. You can be part of the success.
 

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Hoss,
You give real environmentalists a bad name.
As leader of the Northern Redwing-nut faction you have set a record of posts with no one agreeing with you.
Latching on the the 40 million dollar MAMTI/MAC boondoggle will now be your new anthem huh?
Its over? When?
Let me know so I can warn all the net collectors to find other work.
Steve
 

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naesco":3ovt3tmv said:
No Steve, I do have the answer!

ITS OVER


Accept the inevitable, adopt the new reality and move ahead.
The cyanide trade is finished. You can be part of the success.

Sounds like Tokyo Rose. It's over. You are defeated. Throw down your nets and surrender.
Mitch
 

naesco

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cortez marine":2yullmpi said:
Hoss,
You give real environmentalists a bad name.
As leader of the Northern wingnut faction you have set a record of posts with no one agreeing with you.
Latching on the the 40 million dollar MAMTI/MAC boondoggle will now be your new anthem huh?
Its over? When?
Let me know so I can warn all the net collectors to find other work.
Steve

It is over NOW, Steve, accept it and move on.
No one wants to hear the tired MAC attacks any longer.

Concerned industry types want to know what they should do. As the President of the AMDA many expect you to show some leadership.
Convey a meeting was earlier suggested and adopt the proposals that were put forward almost two years ago

Focus on one thing and one thing only:The end to the use of cyanide which has caused the destruction of the reefs. because the intent of BILL 4928 is to stop the destruction of the reefs.
 

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No,
The intent of the bill is to pave the way for $40,000,000. in eco-business.
22 million mamti
8 million mac
8.5 implementation of the bill 4928
There is a real tragedy here. Its the use of poor peoples issues and environmental problems to feather nests and bolster careers with.
No one believes them anymore.
The loss of credibility during the past 4 days has been incredible.
Theres only one true believer left.
The Red wing-nut from the North.
Steve
PS. And don't think its not well understood that the guilt of being a land developer and ruining Canadian forests isn' t the reason for this misplaced green therapy.
 

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