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[PeterIMA]

Gresham, I don't accept that you meant "excepted". Is that like being eliminated?

Peter

 

[Anonymous]

Man, with all the spelling errors being thrown around, you focus on my one Guess this is "peer review"

 

[coralfarmin]

Hey gresh
Since I don't really have a specific religion to pressure anyone on, still learnin all them also,I'd not be specific to what church mission it was or charity donation, just as the auction company is not.

I hear there are already some christan missions in the PI as you said,I also know a artist that lives in Miami , I met thru my wifes aunt at a christmas party she had ,thats really level headed and gay(I think) but he has a wife (I think) strange characters them artists imo:lol: I am out of my countryfied element in florida now,he has a place in Jamaica that he just moved out of, since he said it is gettin rough, there even,the house is just setting there now I believe

I was mainly thinkin the christan missons would be interested, that are in PI,or ones interested in setting up in PI
But if Tonga is the spot, guess thats were to check into and discuss first
What do you mean about that it might not help me on my mission...I just want to help,even if its Islams faith, though I don't want to die try'n
Far as the language barrier as Nas pointed out, my importer explained that to me one time when I wanted them to talk to a exporter for me,I even have a hard time comprehending my importer sometimes.

quess I got a long way to go :wink:

 

[coralfarmin]

oh..we also have potential for a warehouse they use to store art work for the charity auctions and charity auction display setup stuff,in south florida to setup as a wholesale facility(mabey one day), if we can ever learn enough to get that far

 

[coralfarmin]

sorry,mike krida I dont know why I put nas I was thinking something else at the same time

 

[mkirda]

I am also curious to learn about the common religions on differant islands around the world,since I am going to try to target church funders as well, and try to collaborate with missonarys who want to spread the word and create economic incentives for their followers, while they do it,if this is possible.

If Indonesia, outside of Bali, it is Islam. Unless you are one of the persecuted Christian Chinese...

In PI, the religion is predominately Catholic - Until you head south to the island of Mindanao, and from there, down the string of islands known collectively as the Jolo group, which runs down all the way to Malaysia. About half of Mindanao is Christian now, although it wasn't a few decades ago. The Christian population was moved there in an blatant attempt to 'convert' the existing Muslims, and to dilute their power. The island itself is now half Christian and half Muslim. The Jolo group is almost entirely Muslim, and militant Islam has more than a toe-hold in the region. USAID money is still pouring into the region in an attempt to turn the tide and win their hearts and minds.

My point here is simple... If you are from the US, chances are that you are Christian. If you head to the PI, your religious affiliation will dictate what areas you can safely go. Once there, you will need to be flexible. You are there to save the reefs, not convert one Christian to another form of Christian faith, right? If the fishermen happen to be Catholic or Protestant, who cares? The point is to get them to stop using cyanide or dynamite, right?

Again, the way to win over the fishermen is to show sincerity, to speak their language, and live like they do. It isn't as easy as you think it is. Often the very best thing for you to do is convince the fishermen to stop fishing altogether in order to reduce the pressure on the reefs. So you'd better have a dam-good alternative livelihood scheme in mind that will allow them to earn more money for the same amount of work. A heck of a lot of people have tried this before you- and in my opinion, a conservative estimate would be with a 90% failure rate.

With oil prices breaking through the $70 dollar mark- combined with the fact that PI exporters not having raised their prices for close to a decade, the fishermen are increasingly squeezed. Their cost of production goes up, yet they are getting nothing more for the fish. So the pressure is on to produce more - at a time when holistically the best thing to do would be to take less. Yet you get to a village where their are no job opportunities besides farming and fishing, and the arable land is already tilled, what is the fisherman supposed to do exactly? Become a farmer? He has neither the skill set nor the land. Increasing desparate, they will go to the means they have available. Meaning dynamite or cyanide. And this is entirely rational to them. Meanwhile the reefs get worse and worse.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[coralfarmin]

I was acutaly thinkin you were naseso for som reason since I had just read a thread he was in

you sure know your stuff

 

[mkirda]

I was acutaly thinkin you were naseso for som reason since I had just read a thread he was in

Nope. I am not Naesco... LOL.

Mike

 

[Douglas S Lehman]

Hey Naesco, AKA-M Kirda. Have a safe trip home and sea ya Sunday?

 

[Anonymous]

I am also curious to learn about the common religions on differant islands around the world,since I am going to try to target church funders as well, and try to collaborate with missonarys who want to spread the word and create economic incentives for their followers, while they do it,if this is possible.

If Indonesia, outside of Bali, it is Islam. Unless you are one of the persecuted Christian Chinese...

In PI, the religion is predominately Catholic - Until you head south to the island of Mindanao, and from there, down the string of islands known collectively as the Jolo group, which runs down all the way to Malaysia. About half of Mindanao is Christian now, although it wasn't a few decades ago. The Christian population was moved there in an blatant attempt to 'convert' the existing Muslims, and to dilute their power. The island itself is now half Christian and half Muslim. The Jolo group is almost entirely Muslim, and militant Islam has more than a toe-hold in the region. USAID money is still pouring into the region in an attempt to turn the tide and win their hearts and minds.

My point here is simple... If you are from the US, chances are that you are Christian. If you head to the PI, your religious affiliation will dictate what areas you can safely go. Once there, you will need to be flexible. You are there to save the reefs, not convert one Christian to another form of Christian faith, right? If the fishermen happen to be Catholic or Protestant, who cares? The point is to get them to stop using cyanide or dynamite, right?

Again, the way to win over the fishermen is to show sincerity, to speak their language, and live like they do. It isn't as easy as you think it is. Often the very best thing for you to do is convince the fishermen to stop fishing altogether in order to reduce the pressure on the reefs. So you'd better have a dam-good alternative livelihood scheme in mind that will allow them to earn more money for the same amount of work. A heck of a lot of people have tried this before you- and in my opinion, a conservative estimate would be with a 90% failure rate.

With oil prices breaking through the $70 dollar mark- combined with the fact that PI exporters not having raised their prices for close to a decade, the fishermen are increasingly squeezed. Their cost of production goes up, yet they are getting nothing more for the fish. So the pressure is on to produce more - at a time when holistically the best thing to do would be to take less. Yet you get to a village where their are no job opportunities besides farming and fishing, and the arable land is already tilled, what is the fisherman supposed to do exactly? Become a farmer? He has neither the skill set nor the land. Increasing desparate, they will go to the means they have available. Meaning dynamite or cyanide. And this is entirely rational to them. Meanwhile the reefs get worse and worse.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Great post!

Hear anything new about USAID money rolling around there? Please tell

 

[Anonymous]

I was acutaly thinkin you were naseso for som reason since I had just read a thread he was in

you sure know your stuff

Big woops on your part. For the life of me, I simply can not figure out how you even made the mistake in the first part.

you sure know your stuff

That should have been a dead give away right there. You'd better fly to Chi Town and wash Mikes car, or do a water change for him [/quote]

 

[mkirda]

Hey Naesco, AKA-M Kirda. Have a safe trip home and sea ya Sunday?

Hope so... After getting narrowly missed by a car DRIVING ALONG THE SIDEWALK today, I'm getting increasingly paranoid of getting home safely.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Naesco, AKA-M Kirda. Have a safe trip home and sea ya Sunday?

Hope so... After getting narrowly missed by a car DRIVING ALONG THE SIDEWALK today, I'm getting increasingly paranoid of getting home safely.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

hope you get home safely Stay off the sidewalks I think they want you in a cab ASAP

 

[dizzy]

Come on home Mike. Your next assignment, should you decide to accept it, is saving the city of New Orleans.

 

[coralfarmin]

So you have not aquired any funding for your conservation mission thru churchs yet,seems they would be estatic to help save their worlds resourses,imo

mabey not set up conversion missions, but help with conservation mission funding, thru people like you and mike king imo

 

[coralfarmin]

This may really sound dumb, is there any audio cassets to start learnin the languages needed, that you would suggest

 

[coralfarmin]

"Big woops on your part. For the life of me, I simply can not figure out how you even made the mistake in the first part."

gresh
I have been fighting off a bug my little girl brought home from pre-school,and am not paying enough attention, I quess

sometimes I read alot of these threads over and over trying to comprehend the context and dont pay attention enough to who posted it,I was reading that Cuba post before I intialy responded

sorry agin M-k I will wash your car like gresh says I need to do :lol:

 

[bookfish]

"So you have not aquired any funding for your conservation mission thru churchs yet,seems they would be estatic to help save their worlds resourses,imo"

Funny, I would think their evangelical missionary work would be easier if people were worse off. But I'm an old cynic and not Christian either.

Remember "Starvin Marvin"!
-Jim

 

[Anonymous]

Let's pull away from the religion table please Wouldn't want the thread to head to the sumo now would we

Grrr. and I so much want to post a rebuttle on this one as well, but I support RDO's UA and Mods/Admins.

 

[coralfarmin]

well enough gresh,I am not pressing religion just curious how to tap into any potential fundings, I have alot to learn on differant religions

I think that its possible to get charity donations for the poor thru all differant religions, kinda like the,give a man a fish and he will eat for a day,but teach him to fish and he eats for life, cliche,they can feel comfortable knowing their money is going to help people,every day,in the proper hands

it dont matter to me what religion it comes from,I am open to learn all I can about all religions,if they want to help