Ricordeas, quite a busy subject!
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After reading a lot of Posts I see a LARGe double standard about how certain forum members are treated. If the fragmaster guy says anything that is remotely not politically correct the Admin attack him. Accusations are made about fragmaster that are unsubstantiated and I dont see any Admins chimming in putting their 2 cents in when fragmaster is the victim. For example, and there are many, An obvious fake (DR coral) made accusations about fragmaster and not one Admin said anything. Where is the loyalty to our true/active forum members. We should be supporting Fragmaster's passion for this hobby and not attacking him about his rics or about his spelling. This kind of thing takes energy away from why we are all in this forum. Lets try to give eachother some slack. I just think everyone should be treated equally.
Nautilus":1lw14o4j said:
Before FragMaster was addressed by admins publicly, he was addressed in pm's. That is generally the progression. We try the easier tools first, then move on to harder ones. You can safely assume others have been pm'd in regards to how they have addressed FragMaster.
Figuring out who is an 'obvious fake' is harder than just thinking it so.
We do our best to treat posters equally. Please realize that everyone isn't privy tho what has gone on in private.
Yes they do, but I only get single polyps. Thats why I stressed how it would kill the tiny ones if they were pryed off of the rock. 
My tiny polyps are from cuttings. I havent been selling rics long enough to have ( for lack of a better word) benefitted from being able to take full colonies.
I dont know about those "hattian" colonies either. I think there are definately people out there passing off true florida colonies as Hattian colonies, but unfortunately there is no way to tell Hattian rics from florida rics.
There is a pretty good way to tell a wild colony from a propogated colonie though. If there are sponges, star corals, gorgonian skeletons things like that on them they were more than likely wild collected.
I avoid the noid all together with colonies and just produce them my self in my tank. Either with subdivision , cuttings, or glueing rics in a group.
My tiny polyps are from cuttings. I havent been selling rics long enough to have ( for lack of a better word) benefitted from being able to take full colonies.I dont know about those "hattian" colonies either. I think there are definately people out there passing off true florida colonies as Hattian colonies, but unfortunately there is no way to tell Hattian rics from florida rics.
There is a pretty good way to tell a wild colony from a propogated colonie though. If there are sponges, star corals, gorgonian skeletons things like that on them they were more than likely wild collected.
I avoid the noid all together with colonies and just produce them my self in my tank. Either with subdivision , cuttings, or glueing rics in a group.
FragMaster":vzp963c3 said:Yes they do, but I only get single polyps. Thats why I stressed how it would kill the tiny ones if they were pryed off of the rock.
I dont know about those "hattian" colonies either. I think there are definately people out there passing off true florida colonies as Hattian colonies, but unfortunately there is no way to tell Hattian rics from florida rics.
There is a pretty good way to tell a wild colony from a propogated colonie though. If there are sponges, star corals, gorgonian skeletons things like that on them they were more than likely wild collected.
I avoid the noid all together with colonies and just produce them my self in my tank. Either with subdivision , cuttings, or glueing rics in a group.
i've seen loads of 'propagated' stuff (farmed) come into this country with just as much other life on the pieces as what comes in onn 'wild' stock
heck, after 6 months in one of my tanks they would look that way
FragMaster":124igfvm said:
You know who you remind me of? The dude in the FedEx ground commerical that thinks they get french benefits, the leaning tower of pizza, etc etc...what with your yumas come from the Caribbean, retailers pay $15 for a TRIO of CAPTIVE bred Banggais, Pyjama Cardinals are more expensive than CR Banggais and what not. :lol:
If your above statement were true, then there would be absolutely no market for the cultured rock out there. I see some of it come with more sponges, gorgs and other stuff than regular wild rock. According to your thought process cultured rock would be nothing more than glorified cement building blocks.
Vitz:
The differences in true tank aquacultured Florida ricordia colonies and wild colonies are usualy huge. You can find this information all over the web if yor interested?
JustPhish: the biggest mistake I think you may have made here was breaking into a totaly different subject then what is being discussed. My statement was not about live rock. It was about the differences in wild collected Florida ricordia colonies versus aquacultured Florida ricordia.
So what exactly did you read in my post that stated anything about wild rock versus aquacultured rock?
The differences in true tank aquacultured Florida ricordia colonies and wild colonies are usualy huge. You can find this information all over the web if yor interested?
JustPhish: the biggest mistake I think you may have made here was breaking into a totaly different subject then what is being discussed. My statement was not about live rock. It was about the differences in wild collected Florida ricordia colonies versus aquacultured Florida ricordia.
So what exactly did you read in my post that stated anything about wild rock versus aquacultured rock?
Hmmm, I looked it over and I decided...nope. I'm pretty spot on. You didn't mention rock yourself, I did. However you said you can tell the difference between a wild colony vs propagated because a propogated one won't have "sponges, gorg skeletons and star corals" on them.
Perhaps you haven't quite understood my post? If your way of telling wild vs propagated coral was what is stated above then how do you explain what vitz said (and your reply to him I don't think makes a lick of sense if you were actually trying to comment on his reply) and I said? Again, I have seen some propagated corals from all over the place come in with more life on it's man made base it's attached to than straight up wild colonies and live rock.
James Dean is an actor, JIMMY Dean makes sausages... :lol:
Perhaps you haven't quite understood my post? If your way of telling wild vs propagated coral was what is stated above then how do you explain what vitz said (and your reply to him I don't think makes a lick of sense if you were actually trying to comment on his reply) and I said? Again, I have seen some propagated corals from all over the place come in with more life on it's man made base it's attached to than straight up wild colonies and live rock.
James Dean is an actor, JIMMY Dean makes sausages... :lol:
JustPhish":19gkqncr said:
James Dean is a dead guy who made a couple of movies. Jimmy Dean did a little more than make sausages:
Jimmy Dean
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Jimmy Dean has had an interesting career both in television and in the music business; he released some memorable songs and was a very popular performer in the 60's.
He was born in Plainview, Texas in 1928. While a member of the Air Force he joined a singing group called the Tennessee Haymakers and moved to the Washington, D.C. area in 1948. By 1952 he had formed his own group, the Texas Wildcats, and signed a recording contract with Four Star. That led to his first hit Bummin' Around in 1953. Then he got into television.
He hosted weekday and Saturday evening shows on WMAL in Virginia, and became well known around Washington, D.C. as an entertainer. Dean was a pioneer in the televising of country western songs. A regular on his TV show for a period of time in the 50's was a young Patsy Cline, whose work with Jimmy Dean was a big boost to her career. He had his own series on CBS-TV in 1957 and 1958. He signed with Columbia and recorded a novelty Christmas song, Little Sandy Sleighfoot, that reached the top forty in the late 50's.
In 1961 Dean recorded Big Bad John, a song that would become his biggest hit ever. It went to number one on the country and pop charts, and gained him the Grammy for Best Country & Western Performance. It was one of many songs he would record in a style that was more spoken than sung.
He followed his chart-buster with five more top forty songs in 1962, including Dear Ivan, The Cajun Queen [a follow-up to Big Bad John], To A Sleeping Beauty, and Little Black Book. His biggest hit that year, one that reached the top ten, was a song based on the sinking of President John F. Kennedy's torpedo boat and Kennedy's subsequent heroic feats in the South Pacific during World War II, PT 109.
In addition to being a singer, actor and TV host, he also played piano and guitar and did some songwriting. Dean once again hosted his own first-rate television series, from 1963 to 1966, this time on ABC-TV. He had other minor hit songs in the 60's, such as The First Thing Ev'ry Morning [And The Last Thing Ev'ry Night], switched to RCA and hit on a small scale with Stand Beside Me and A Thing Called Love. His duet with Dottie West, Slowly, came out in 1971.
He also did some acting on television, appearing in such shows as Daniel Boone and Candid Camera. Some of Dean's better record albums include Big Bad John in 1962 and Jimmy Dean's Hour Of Prayer in 1964 on Columbia, and Speaker Of The House on RCA in 1967.
In the 70's Dean returned to the top forty one final time on the Casino label with I.O.U., a song he had written in gratitude to his mother. He left the entertainment industry to devote full-time to his sausage business and has appeared on nationwide television ads for Jimmy Dean's Pure Pork Sausage.
In 2004 his autobiography, titled Thirty Years of Sausage, Fifty Years of Ham, was published by Penguin Books. The affable Jimmy Dean is one of pop music's good guys and is very well remembered for his two top ten songs from the 60's, Big Bad John and PT 109.
FragMaster":3m0ryy5e said:
Being the Haitian exporter posts here, and several of us have been customers of his for a long time, I'm pretty positive they're not from Florida. There's always the chance though, your right. The amount of Haitain stuff he moves, I honestly have no doubt they're not Florida rics though.
That wasnt a direct shot at anyone. I didnt even know there was any one on here that sold hattian colonies actualy?
That person may be able to shed alot of light on the differences in wild collected and auqacultured colonies.
Sponges realy mean nothing at all. Most people arent going to let a gorgonian,or any other coral, over grow a ric rock in the 1st place in thier tank if they are aquaculturing them.
Thats why you will see the same thing written on several websites, and just about any ric collector (as in wholesaler) willtell you the same thing.
That person may be able to shed alot of light on the differences in wild collected and auqacultured colonies.
Sponges realy mean nothing at all. Most people arent going to let a gorgonian,or any other coral, over grow a ric rock in the 1st place in thier tank if they are aquaculturing them.
Thats why you will see the same thing written on several websites, and just about any ric collector (as in wholesaler) willtell you the same thing.
My post was a jumbled response I guess.
I read reefnanny's response, then vitz's response, took reefnany's response to mean to be about the ric collecting excursion,and vitz's response to reefnanny to be on the same subject.
What I ment coinciding with what I thought the post's were about:
Seeing as how most marine reef hobbiest's are well edjucated by now about the effects of things like that on large scales we accept the fact that we do contribute in some way to the same problem. But with a conscious effort we can lessen the effects. You should research a seller before you buy if it worries that they might be passing off wild for propogated.
I am not going in to the whole ricordia excursion thing again. I think you know how I feel about that, and why by now.
If it still seems jumbled its because I am tired right now.. VERY tired. Need some zzzzzz's
I read reefnanny's response, then vitz's response, took reefnany's response to mean to be about the ric collecting excursion,and vitz's response to reefnanny to be on the same subject.
What I ment coinciding with what I thought the post's were about:
Seeing as how most marine reef hobbiest's are well edjucated by now about the effects of things like that on large scales we accept the fact that we do contribute in some way to the same problem. But with a conscious effort we can lessen the effects. You should research a seller before you buy if it worries that they might be passing off wild for propogated.
I am not going in to the whole ricordia excursion thing again. I think you know how I feel about that, and why by now.
If it still seems jumbled its because I am tired right now.. VERY tired. Need some zzzzzz's
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