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jusreefin

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tnyr5":2oi2qu4m said:
i don't really think tyree has anythign to do with the huge jump in the overall price of every coral that has come to market in the past 5 or so years. What did? the acan craze, and GAS PRICES of course. As soon as the war started, prices on liverock and corals jumped a good 30% from what i saw and that's only natural, the cost of bringing them here went up, a lot. Once people became obsessed with acanthastrea ( i think the main reason being it was *OH MY GOD* something they couldn't have) all of a sudden every brain, blasto, favia, scoly, - basically anything that could have been passed off as an acanthastrea, instantly became taxonomically reclassified at a charge of an extra 50% above normal retail value, and afterwards, they cleverly didn't drop them very much. I think it's easy to forget that before the acan craze you could buy a blasto for 50 dollars, a red scolymia for 70, a favites for 39.99. This was far different than what tyree and those like him do, tyree did not intentionally try to trick his customers to make a quick buck. He might use 20k and a reaaaallllly good camera, but at least he gets the species right

Why does it always have to be Acans?? What about the $300 1/2" frags of SPS corals that have been being sold for years now?? Sorry to burst your bubble but Balsto's were $75-100+ long before the so called "acan craze". Most common color favia can still be found for $40. For some reason people take Calfo's Acan article like it is written by the ole mighty himself :roll:
 

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oh wait , you're right, sorry i forgot about zooanthids lol :P

really tho, most of the itme my posta are all in good fun ( and a little poking fun too) dont' take me too seriously unless i talk about something technical ok? i love acans, they're beautiful, what i was trying to point out was the intentional mislabeling of corals to drive up the price.
 
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Three years ago when I wrote my article on Echinophyllia for Advanced Aquarist, those things were rare. I mean, literally, I knew of exactly four that were in hobbyist's hands over a four year period.

These days just about every single dealer offers a selection of them.

Now that they're that common, they seem to go for $75-$300 for a small piece. Back when they were rare, I bought one the size of a dinner plate for $30. Go figure.

I don't blame Steve for it, though - I blame the hobby as a whole.
 
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cjdevito":33p59nex said:
...I don't blame Steve for it, though - I blame the hobby as a whole.

Exactly so, he is just using a great business model that takes fills a niche in the consumer-driven market. This whole thing reminds me of the children's story about the Emperor's new clothes :lol:
 
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Exactly so, he is just using a great business model that takes fills a niche in the consumer-driven market. This whole thing reminds me of the children's story about the Emperor's new clothes

Agreed. Funny, I was just thinking something similar myself. I suspect I even know what's going to take the role of the little boy pointing out that a certain member of royalty is naked :D
 
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cjdevito":24vc4bwz said:
Exactly so, he is just using a great business model that takes fills a niche in the consumer-driven market. This whole thing reminds me of the children's story about the Emperor's new clothes

Agreed. Funny, I was just thinking something similar myself. I suspect I even know what's going to take the role of the little boy pointing out that a certain member of royalty is naked :D

There have been many "waves of popularity" in this hobby that I have seen, I've been doing it for 20 some years.

I've often wanted to shout "BUT HE'S NAKED!" when people ooze over the latest and greatest...

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I bought 12 specimens from Steve Tyree back in 2001. I think I paid around $400 for the lot.

I lost all my corals after my house keeper used one of my buckets to clean the bathroom!!

Needless to say, a deep depression caused me to almost abandon the tank with only a couple of fish that survived the crash.

Five years later, I am starting to reenter the hobby again and I am completely floored by the prices that people are getting for frags today!

If my tank had not crashed, I would be probably be very happy about it but now that I am about to restock, I am amazed at the prices being asked.

Supply and demand are definately in play here and I have no problem with that.

If prices continue on this trend, any purchase (especially a rarer sps) would be an investment that is hard to fault.

P.S. Some may remember my site "Careful Neglect for the Marine Aquarium". I am going to try to put it back up in the coming months and I look forward to talking to many of you who supported me.

As for Steve, no one is getting rich in this hobby except for some of the hardware suppliers. I have watched Precision Marine go from a business in Mike's garage to a beautiful facility in New Braunfels.
 

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I think I remember your site :D Glad you're getting back into it. Have fun frag hunting...and of course...

:welcome:
 
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farmfrags":25ua192k said:
As for Steve, no one is getting rich in this hobby except for some of the hardware suppliers.

And maintenance services. Most reefkeepers never see or hear of them but some do very very well.
 
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cjdevito":3q8hsker said:
Three years ago when I wrote my article on Echinophyllia for Advanced Aquarist, those things were rare. I mean, literally, I knew of exactly four that were in hobbyist's hands over a four year period.

These days just about every single dealer offers a selection of them.

Now that they're that common, they seem to go for $75-$300 for a small piece. Back when they were rare, I bought one the size of a dinner plate for $30. Go figure.

I don't blame Steve for it, though - I blame the hobby as a whole.

:D

http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8
 
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That being first on the google search mean you rock, O my master.
 
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Heh. But the scary thing is, just a couple of listings below mine, you can find echinophyllia being sold by THAT PET PLACE. I mean, come on, if That Pet Place is selling them, how hard to get can they be now?
 

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As you pointed out, the signs were pretty obvious. Some of us foretold this with the Rose Bubble-tip analogy couple of years ago in the GRD. Very few of it is actually rare. OTOH, I would give the LPS craze credit for keeping people in the hobby. The frustration in keeping SPS can be overbearing for many hobbyists, and many would have just given up had it not been for LPS.

It's just funny how when you would search 'rare live coral' on ebay, and an @$$load of LPS and softies would pop up...with less than a handful of SPS.

Love is blind :lol:
 

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