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PeterIMA

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To Reform or Not To Reform
Marine Ornamental Industry and Destructive Fishing in Indonesia

Starting in 1998, Telapak initiated and formed a joint effort with several NGOs working on coastal and marine issue to address the need to reform destructive fishing in Indonesia. The joint effort, dubbed ProMola, involves organizations like Lakpesdam in Makassar-South Sulawesi, Yascita in Kendari-Southeast Sulawesi, Yayasan Bahtera Nusantara in Bali, Hivlak in Tual-South Molucca, and YLL in Medan-North Sumatra. The original objectives of ProMOLA are:

1) to identify problems in local level related to marine resource
management;
2) to develop local capacity to conduct investigation and monitoring of illegal and destructive practices, analyze the results, and effectively utilize them for policy work;
3) to develop a mechanism for a joint effort of institutions and individuals to monitor marine resource management in Indonesia; and
4) to promote the integration of marine and coastal resource management into the Communiy Based Coastal Resource Management approach.

Telapak and its partners have then developed a holistic approach into destructive fishing reform, taking coral reef marine ornamental fish industry as a focus. The approach includes an overall reform of the destructive ornamental-fish fishing by providing an alternative technique, building a micro-enterprise scheme, and the development of local collection area management system. An important development was the link up of Telapak and the East Asia Seas and Terrestrial Initiatives (EASTI), which is based in Manila, to strengthen this pioneering approach of conservation, education, and economic development.

LES. The village in the northeastern coast of Bali is the more advanced site in which Telapak and its partner, the Denpasar-based Yayasan Bahtera Nusantara, has achieved the following:

1. Completely converted all ornamental fishers from cyanide fishers into non-cyanide fishers since 2003
2. Well organized fishers under the organization Mina Bhakti Soansari since 2002
3. Established the community-owned ornamental fish exporter company PT Bahtera LEStari since 2003 and is now producing and exporting the best quality fish from Indonesia
4. Established a village-level community-based coastal resource management, including total ban on cyanide fishing and set up of protected zone, all of which has been decreed in local customary-indigenous law.
5. Facilitated coral reef rehabilitation effort fully organized and led by the local community
6. Initiated an eco-tourism project run by local community, including its main attraction: Adopt the Coral!?

The GEF-SGP (www.sgp-indonesia.org) supported the work by providing funds for community organizing, trainings, and initial financing for the community enterprise. Telapak cherishes the multiplying effect of the reform effort in Les Village. Many villages have followed the example of Les, often on their own initiative and resources.

SERANGAN. The village of Serangan is located in Serangan Island, 10 minutes from downtown Denpasar, Bali. It is now connected by a bridge to the mainland. The local fishers group: Kelompok Nelayan Pesisir Karya Segara have achieved so much towards their environment and people's wellbeing. Together with Telapak since the beginning, in 2000, the fishers have:
1. Almost completely stop coral mining in the surrounding coral reefs
2. Almost completely converted all ornamental fishers from cyanide fishers into non-cyanide fishers
3. Established coral farms for both rehabilitation and economic purposes.
4. Established the community-owned exclusively cultured ornamental corals and base-rock exporter company PT Poros Nusantara Utama and is now producing and exporting the best quality cultured corals and base rock from Indonesia
5. Set aside some 400 sq meters of reef area as rehabilitation zone.

It has been a great pleasure for Telapak to be able to work together with the fishers association Karya Segara to develop this pioneering and novel approach of conservation and local economic empowerment: coral farming for rehabilitation and international marine ornamental trade. The Samdhana Institute (www.samdhana.org) supported the work in Serangan by providing the initial financing for coral farm in 2003. The UNDP GEF-SGP (www.sgp-indonesia.org) has been supporting the work by providing funds for community organizing and some construction works.
 

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Peter,

I see that this is, once again, an NGOs initiative.

My question is... where is Indonesian government participation? What about the commitment and willingness of the government to manage or regulate the trade of MO?

Indonesia the world's largest archipelago, comprising more than 17,000 islands and 81,000 km of coast line is one of the major suppliers of living corals, along with the Philippines they're the major suppliers of ornamental fish, close to 70%.

Problems of corruption, lack of education, poverty and more contribute to the deterioration of coral reefs .

We know that the cyanide problem in Indonesia is worse than in the Philippines, in addition, very little has been done to enforce the law, this due to the lack of human resources and $ to patrol 17,000 islands, the Philippines has only 7,000 and is not possible to control what the fishers do.

Could you please tell me what were EASTI's accomplishments in the Philippines? According to comments exchanged in this forum EASTI has nothing to show regarding Ferdinand Cruz work in the Philippines.

According to scientists that have worked many years in Indonesia and know very well Indonesia and its government, chances of saving the coral reefs are almost nil. With the use of cyanide to collect MO, this trade is contributing to the agony of those coral reefs.

Time ran out. Is time for drastic measures.

Jaime
 

PeterIMA

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Jaime,

There will be a CTD Workshop held in Lake Bueno Vista, Florida (near Orlando) that is being sponsored by NOAA/NMFS on February 7 and 8, 2008. Indonesian and Philippine officials associated with their fisheries departments and scientists from various countries are invited. I am also one of the invited participants. Hopefully, this will lead to changes in policies that lead to enforcement of laws to stop cyanide fishing and the trade in marine aquarium fishes caught with cyanide.

I invite you to attend a session on Sustainability of the Marine Aquarium Trade, that I am organizing at the next Marine Ornamentals Conference to be held in Lake Bueno Vista February 9-12, 2008. Ferdinand Cruz and Tom Cabagay of EASTI will present talks on their work in the Philippines and in Indonesia. There will also be presentations concerning the aquarium trade by Ambrosius Ruwindrijarto (Ruwi) the Executive Director of Telapak and by Ho Thi Yen Thu the Vice President of the Marine Conservation Community Development Center in Vietnam. These and other speakers will discuss the many problems that we all agree need to be dealt with. So, if you want to know what is going on come to the Marine Ornamentals Conference (MO08).

Peter
 

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Peter,

It would be a good idea to attend the conference in Sept 08. Meanwhile, could you tell me who are the exporters in the Philippines dealing with EASTI and who are the importers in NA getting fish from that NGO. What's the volume of fish they're dealing with?

Also, I would like to know the same from Indonesia. I would like to support such initiative. Importers here in the Ottawa area would be interested in getting in touch with them.

Jaime
 

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Jaime, I will be in Ottawa for Christmas. Perhaps we can get together to discuss these and other matters.

Peter
 

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It can't be any significant amount.. I (and others) inquired all the way back when Peter started bragging about getting fish with no losses, and I personally was never able to get one fish.
 
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PeterIMA":1rujau2j said:
Jaime, I will be in Ottawa for Christmas. Perhaps we can get together to discuss these and other matters.

Peter

Not posting them here and doing it in private with Jaime just reeks to jhigh heaven of bogusness. I call shinanigan :D
 

PeterIMA

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Gresham, What makes you think I should to share this information? Would Sea Dwelling Creatures or any other importer publicly share the names of its suppliers or its customer lists?

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PeterIMA":pvdze8zv said:
Jaime, I will be in Ottawa for Christmas. Perhaps we can get together to discuss these and other matters.

Peter

Peter, I won't be around for Christmas, I'll be in Colombia visiting my parents.

As you can see there are other people, in this forum, interested in the issue. Since we all want to know about EASTI activities, and how this group is working to help solving the different problems the trade of MO is facing in the Ph. and Ind. I would appreciate if you share the information with all of us.

Thanks in advance.

Jaime
 
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PeterIMA":buw7rvzl said:
Jaime, How much does the MAC pay you to ask these questions?

Peter

Sigh. These kinds of insipid responses drag all of the discussion down - as would the response "Peter, how much does EASTI pay you not to answer those questions?".
If you have secret information that you don't want to discuss, perhaps it would be best simply to write nothing at all.
 
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PeterIMA":3bfdjtwn said:
Gresham, What makes you think I should to share this information? Would Sea Dwelling Creatures or any other importer publicly share the names of its suppliers or its customer lists?

Peter

(Sure wish you wouldn't continually edit your posts :roll: )

Well, because it supports EASTI, the villages, the project, etc. Keeping it to your self insures it DIES!!!! How many fish do you sell? Better yet, what percentage of the US MO industry do you make up? Will that percentage support this project, EASTI-the villages-etc?

If there is one thing I have learned from all this, one pony shops can not make a difference when it comes to supporting villages. You simply can not take the amount of fish needed to fully support the efforts. Now, many one pony shops buying across the board may actually get you some where.
 
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PeterIMA":3ttourv5 said:
Jaime, How much does the MAC pay you to ask these questions?

Peter

When's the paranoia going to end and reality kick in?
 

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My guess is that it is still limited to very small tranship.. because I'm not at a port of entry, that is why I was told I couldn't buy the fish in the past. I don't think it's even a full drop in the bucket.
 

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Jeremy and Gresham,

Yes what has been done by Bahtari LeSatari is still fairly small at the moment. For the past year fish and live rock have been exported from Les and Serangan to buyers in Switzerland, Germany, the USA, and Canada. I don't know exactly how much. Ask Ferdinand Cruz. You can PM him from his past posting (the one attacking MAC) on RDO.

The network of collectors is expanding and they (EASTI and Telapak) anticipate more funding to expand village-based trainings. I already stated that in previous posts. The posting from Telapak that started this thread provides a lot of information.

As to who may be importing and selling net-caught fish in the USA over the next 6 months, we have to wait for them to announce what they plan to do. It is not up to me to interfere.

A lot is happing. Come to marine ornamnetals 2008 in Lake Bueno Vista and ask the proponents directly.

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Jaime Baquero":2fwtpshq said:
Peter,

It would be a good idea to attend the conference in Sept 08. Meanwhile, could you tell me who are the exporters in the Philippines dealing with EASTI and who are the importers in NA getting fish from that NGO.

Jaime

Never ever heard of them. Must be that they are flying under the radar. But why?
 

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Correction. The Marine Onamentals Conference will be held in Lake Bueno Vista, Florida on FEBRUARY 9-12, 2008 (not in September 08). Sorry for the typo. You can find information on the website for the World Aquaculture Society.

Peter
 

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PeterIMA":k9am4pjq said:
Jaime, How much does the MAC pay you to ask these questions?

Peter

Peter, I'll ignore that silly reaction.

The truth is that EASTI has not accomplished anything in the Philippines. I can understand that, I was there, we ran a very similar program with the Federation of Fish Collectors (PMP), it didn't work. The reasons have been discussed. The Philippines is a very difficult place to work in.

I do not understand why you "want to keep this as a secret", I remember when Aquarium Services in Toronto was getting fish from PMP and Habitat in Manila, we shared the information about shipping conditions, mortality and many more things... the idea was to help each other to improve things.

I'd like to know who is getting fish in Canada to get in touch and put them in contact with fish buyers in my region. I guess networking is important here... I hope I'm not wrong.

For your information I'm not in contact with anyone from MAC. I can tell you that MAC was a wasted golden opportunity for this industry. People were more committed to their egos than to dealing with the environmental problems associated to this trade in the Philippines.

Jaime
 

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Jaime,

EASTI has not attemped to assist collectors in the Philippines to export net-caught fish and other MO organisms through village-owned and/or managed Collectors' Associations. Net-caught fish obtained from collectors trained by EASTI were exported through an company called Imperial. Imperial was not owned by EASTI or the collectors. The manager of Imperial decided that he wanted to buy cyanide-caught fish and Ferdinand shiifted the net-collectors to other exporters. EASTI is not presently involved with programs to help collectors set up micro-enterprises that export fish from the Philippines.

The programs in Indonesia in the villages of Les and Serangan are examples of community-based management tied to the direct export of net-caught fish, live rock, and corals. I think that Telapak and EASTI can manage without your assistance..
 

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Peter,

I was just trying to get some information from you. You are not providing it because you do not have anything "valuable" to share.


Jaime
 

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