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No, quality will not be enough for the masses.. if it was, they would already demand it. The only option is to not give them an option.

Jeremy only has experience to back this up.
They who most understand the truth are of the opinions the least respected these days. I wonder why that is.
It seems that fashionable, dogmatic conclusion makers arrive at opinions simplistically, quickly and with little investment.

They assume that they can sort it out better then experienced people as they alone can think higher and plan things better. [ actually the reverse is true] I have seen this all my life in the aquarium trade.
Steve
 

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Very true Steve, etail is further driving down the prices to markups the slash and burns can't even touch. Hopefully importers will one day get onboard to set MAP pricing but it would take 100% buy in. Seeing there are so many shady fish guys around that would be hard. Eventually slash and burns decide to stop selling once they loose enough money. Just heard a rumor Petco is looking to shut down most if not all small animals/reptile sales in Tucson, possibly Aquatics as well but surely saltwater should go. No idea how true it is but it came from an employee that recently quit.

Any update on the work being done in PNG. I am looking forward to the first shipments (no matter what the price is). It is cool to see California importers doing their part to import quality net caught livestock.



cortez marine":2gwics7r said:
The consumer doesn't initiate bag lot sales, 20% off Mondays, price matching or selling fish for cost - thats vendors trying to attract business. If vendors didn't sell the fish cheap, people couldn't buy them cheap.

True,
There is always a retailer in every area that breaks out of the pack, runs it like the flea market and ruins the value of everything.
He sells at cost [ having other income making this possible] reads his public well and gives it away to keep busy.
Since he always has other income, this slash and burn retailing is made possible.
This is not the trades plan, but that of a traitor in their midst who open the gates from the inside and precipitates the price wars.
Still, the trade in general starts to give inin order to compete and pretty soon, scarcer marinelife sells cheaper and cheaper....and as gas/frieght prices go up. They become a party to their own destruction.

Letting the fate of coral reefs hang in the balance of a trades so completely focused on its own survival issues is dangerous.
As you have agreed, they cannot help much as they are constantly occupied with the incessant search for a cheaper fish and coral....to satisfy their customers who are constantly occupied with the incessant search for a cheaper fish and coral.
Their skill sets have shifted into survival mode while NGO groups and reformers always assumed they could have tapped into the imagined riches of the trade and make it pay a share in their projects.

An economic upswing makes it easier for people to care and do the right thing, as surely as the downswing works the other way.
Now we are in what swng?
I know what we can do...how bout a bag sale for a coral reef fundraiser!
Steve
 

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My guess is he's assuming the fish will be sold thru one of the LA importers and that such a relationship has already been worked out. Which ones has been something I'm sure several people have wondered after reading this thread.
 
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Nothing has been worked out from what Steve has said. There is no exporter at this point either which made the post I was quoting a bit odd to me :D Steve is not exporting or importing them, he's working for a group training them and working out policy, etc.
 

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Hello folks,
After enough time and effort in surveying and evaluating, training and preparing....Papua New Guineas new netcaught or nothing modus operandi has become reality.
We will begin exporting 100% net-collected fishes this very month of June!
To test the logistics, the first trial shipment will go to Japan...a quick, direct flight.
With a good report from that, we will then endeavor to hit the West Coast ie. SFO and/or LAX.
Action and achievement will come fast now.
We thought that would be a welcome and refreshing change in a decade of reform "effort" that has seen everything but a real fish supply...
Sincerely, Steve
PNG project,EcoEz.
 

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Just for the record.....we are hoping that we can do justice for those beauties seen on this thread. I am very excited to get an opportunity to see and work with these fish and collecting station. Distribution should not be a problem :)

Again...super props to Steve for a great year! 2008 seems to be one to go down in the record books.


Good weekend everyone!

Eric
 

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cortez marine":2zvpf63f said:
Hello folks,
After enough time and effort in surveying and evaluating, training and preparing....Papua New Guineas new netcaught or nothing modus operandi has become reality.
We will begin exporting 100% net-collected fishes this very month of June!
To test the logistics, the first trial shipment will go to Japan...a quick, direct flight.
With a good report from that, we will then endeavor to hit the West Coast ie. SFO and/or LAX.
Action and achievement will come fast now.
We thought that would be a welcome and refreshing change in a decade of reform "effort" that has seen everything but a real fish supply...
Sincerely, Steve
PNG project,EcoEz.

What about Vancouver??? :wink:
 

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Hi Wayne,
Feel free to pass on a message to any bonafide importer in Canada for us.
Its nice to spread it around the world and so long as they don't mind getting nothing but netcaught fishes, we should be OK.
We have an abundance of all the right nettings from the start cuz you cannot even pretend to set up a net caught station without the right nettings.

About 7 years of RDO dialogue about handling, decompressing fishes, netting properly etc. get to come to fruition here and with no resistance!
No ones against reform here as no one here has a history to hide.

PNGs like a huge Tonga or Solomon Island...if you say its netcaught all the way...equip em and show em...it becomes the way.
We have trainers from the South Pacific, Solomon islands and of course the very best of the Philippines.
There is something of a dream team put together here and they will be embedded in the villages for the next three years to insure that all the more ideal practices become second nature.
Then, after the three years are up, the project may well take its momentum and move on the the Philippines to clean up some "unfinished business".

Papuans will then be well able to run their own affairs here and perhaps even serve as trainers or survey scientists with us in the Philippines.

Thanks guys for the interest!
Sincerely,
Steve
PNG project, Eco Ez
Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
 

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Hi Steve,

PM sent to you with my contact information for Vancouver. Let me know. We'd be more than happy to help out.

Kyle
 

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cortez marine":2wee56lo said:
Hi Wayne,
Feel free to pass on a message to any bonafide importer in Canada for us.
Its nice to spread it around the world and so long as they don't mind getting nothing but netcaught fishes, we should be OK.
We have an abundance of all the right nettings from the start cuz you cannot even pretend to set up a net caught station without the right nettings.

About 7 years of RDO dialogue about handling, decompressing fishes, netting properly etc. get to come to fruition here and with no resistance!
No ones against reform here as no one here has a history to hide.

PNGs like a huge Tonga or Solomon Island...if you say its netcaught all the way...equip em and show em...it becomes the way.
We have trainers from the South Pacific, Solomon islands and of course the very best of the Philippines.
There is something of a dream team put together here and they will be embedded in the villages for the next three years to insure that all the more ideal practices become second nature.
Then, after the three years are up, the project may well take its momentum and move on the the Philippines to clean up some "unfinished business".

Papuans will then be well able to run their own affairs here and perhaps even serve as trainers or survey scientists with us in the Philippines.

Thanks guys for the interest!
Sincerely,
Steve
PNG project, Eco Ez
Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea

Thank you for 'sharing the wealth'.
I think you will see a huge Canadian demand for net caught fish.

Wayne Ryan
 

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We are going to give sanctuary....and add another Filipino diver to the training team as he needs to escape from the mandatory deepwater diving that Tongan and Vanuatuan exporters demand of him...and others.

The divers in Tonga and Vanuatu do not want to dive so deep in search of those damn ventralis now as they have already killed two divers this past year and threaten more every day.

The incredible thing is that after what has happened, they still keep the coercion and the pressure on to force deepwater ventralis collecting.

Buyers should boycott ventralis anthias in America,.
I wish they would also in Japan where so many ventralis go...but they will never support such a thing .

Even though some Tonga exporters refuse to send the guys deep, one called Dateline continues to risk them .
If they were Tongan divers, the deaths would shut down the trade already...but since they were Filipinos, it didn't and the companies get away with it.

So, Dateline has just lost its best diver to our training project here in PNG and we may go for more. [Ironically, diver safety training is a huge priority in the project .]

These guys are easy to take away from companies who treat their divers so badly.
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Papua New Guinea now has 22 newly minted fish collectors.

They have graduated, celebrated and were put to work right away collecting for the first shipment to the USA.

Have a look at a boat load....We used 3 boats and 3 trainers.
Chris Beta of the Solomon islands, Eddie Abulag of the Philippines and I.
We were assisted by local survey biologists of the PNG Eco Ez survey team.
Theres 1,000 photos more of classroom training, net making,in-water training, graduation, collecting and packing.
More to come.
Steve
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Have a look at the kids of the village and the classroom venue.
We stayed in there for 2 days working on diving safety, decompression, conservation, the trade, collecting , handling, holding etc.
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