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08-29-2017, 03:12 PM
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yup leave the sand no point swapping that lol
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08-29-2017, 03:19 PM
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yup leave the sand no point swapping that lol
good luck with your build buddy
Thanks buddy I'll leave it alone till all my stuff gets here then swap out! But one more question i have a sump with a protein skimmer should u run them while doing this? I read a few mixed reviews on this i hear to run it so it too gets the needed bacteria then i hear don't what would you suggest

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08-29-2017, 03:36 PM
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i would run the protein skimmer while you have the rocks in there, it will help you skim out all the junk organics that dies off the rocks during the curing process. or recycling process if you are using live rock. just phantom feed if you want, or dont if you dont want to lol. i feel like you since you are using live rock you already kick started to process. so just keep testing your water to see when the cycle is finished. just dont rush the cycle process, its different time frames for everyone. although if you are gonna run the skimmer maybe phantom feed a little bit.
 
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08-29-2017, 03:40 PM
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Needs nutrients to start cycle. Tap water is fine. That's why you should leave skimmer off too.

Leave tank lights off and you won't get algae growth. With or without rodi
 
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08-29-2017, 03:55 PM
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Needs nutrients to start cycle. Tap water is fine. That's why you should leave skimmer off too.

Leave tank lights off and you won't get algae growth. With or without rodi
I keep my lights off 24/7 but been running my sump and skimmer i tested the tds it was at 27ppm when i originally added the water and prime waited a day then added salt waited another day then added live sand

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08-29-2017, 04:13 PM
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Needs nutrients to start cycle. Tap water is fine. That's why you should leave skimmer off too.

Leave tank lights off and you won't get algae growth. With or without rodi
if he leaves the lights off now, what will happen when he turns them on ? what is absorbing the phosphate from the tap water while the lights are off?
it doesn't just disappear overtime. unless of course he doesn't run lights over his tank ever. just common sense, he needs nutrients. he doesn't need excessive phosphate that comes with with tap water
 
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08-29-2017, 04:58 PM
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Needs nutrients to start cycle. Tap water is fine. That's why you should leave skimmer off too.

Leave tank lights off and you won't get algae growth. With or without rodi
The goal of the nitrogen cycle consists of 2 primary parts: you want to culture the bacteria that convert ammonia (NH3 and NH4) into nitrite (NO2) and then you want to culture the bacteria that converts that converted nitrite (NO2) into nitrate (NO3). The nutrients you speak of in tap water (namely phosphates (PO4) and nitrate (NO3)) will culture organisms (other bacteria species including cyano and algae) that have nothing to do with the bacteria species you want to culture to "cycle" your tank. Don't worry, they're going to bloom once the cycle is over anyway

Plus, I want to reiterate that tap water contains copper and lead as well as these "nutrients". Which will ALL be present in your system until they are diluted to natural seawater levels (an order of several 1000-10000x less than the concentration in tap water in NYC).

Please do not use tap water within your reef system at all.

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08-29-2017, 04:59 PM
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The goal of the nitrogen cycle consists of 2 primary parts: you want to culture the bacteria that convert ammonia (NH3 and NH4) and then you want to culture the bacteria that convert nitrite (NO2) into nitrate (NO3). The nutrients you speak of in tap water (namely phosphates (PO4) and nitrate (NO3)) will culture organisms (other bacteria species including cyano and algae) that have nothing to do with the bacteria species you want to culture to "cycle" your tank. Don't worry, they're going to bloom once the cycle is over anyway

Plus, I want to reiterate taht tap water contains copper and lead as well as these "nutrients". Which will be present in your system until they are diluted to natural seawater levels (an order of several 1000-10000x less than the concentration in tap water in NYC).

Please do not use tap water within your reef system at all.
So should i drain it or let it cycle I'll use rodi water from here on out of course

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08-29-2017, 05:23 PM
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Should i just drain the water and leave the live sand in or restart all together?

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Just my suggestion: leave the live sand, drain all the CONTAMINATED water above it, and refill with RODI + salt.

There will be a lot of things that just happen to be out of your control in a closed system like a reef tank. Why make the contents of the water you're adding to it one of them?

As for skimming during the cycle, I honestly don't think it matters unless you're using fresh rock from the ocean where a number of organisms continuously die off which will slow down the nitrogen cycle simply because the decay will cause less dissolved oxygen for the aerobic nitrifying bacteria to use to thrive. You'll be doing a large water change after the cycle anyway to remove any other compounds that may have built up during the cycle and to replenish depleted ions (I'm in the camp of not doing any water changes during the cycle unless you made the mistake of adding in livestock before the cycle was complete).
 
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Just my suggestion: leave the live sand, drain all the CONTAMINATED water above it, and refill with RODI + salt.

There will be a lot of things that just happen to be out of your control in a closed system like a reef tank. Why make the contents of the water you're adding to it one of them?

As for skimming during the cycle, I honestly don't think it matters unless you're using fresh rock from the ocean where a number of organisms continuously die off which will slow down the nitrogen cycle simply because the decay will cause less dissolved oxygen for the aerobic nitrifying bacteria to use to thrive. You'll be doing a large water change after the cycle anyway to remove any other compounds that may have built up during the cycle and to replenish depleted ions (I'm in the camp of not doing any water changes during the cycle unless you made the mistake of adding in livestock before the cycle was complete).
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