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Rayzor

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The typhoon does seems simple to use....on their website they say..."plug and play" but that is a euphamism that is thrown around all to often....
Does seem thought that they do include all the parts and attachments to make it as easy as possible.....
What other rodi's are ppl using out there.....will there be any vendors with good deals at the swap next week?
Wes: is the Typhoon adaptable for drinking water? Seems like the model I'm looking at isnt....(Typhoon basic).....
 

Awibrandy

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Rayzor, this is the one I got from AIRWATERICE.com. It was extremely easy to hook up. I went with the supply line connection which I attached directly to my cold water line.;)

Compact III 75GPD with DI Bypass Assembly and TDS Meter
$159.95
You do not adjust the temp. Those are numbers letting you know what to expect depending on how cold your water is.;) Summer it would probably be warmer then the middle of winter.;)

I'm very bad so I will not tell you how often I change out my filters.LOL
 

JimmyR1rider

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I think the "waste" water line needs to be renamed to rejected- this argument about how much waste to pure you get- waste from the unit as Wes said and as I have said in a past thread is not being wasted- just charged in your water bill- it goes back into your drain- then the sewer system- then a treatment plant and comes out of Sally down the roads showerhead as she takes a 45 minute shower( sorry dont want to offend anyone- it can also be coming out of Joe down the blocks as well) - water running the whole time going the same place as our "waste" water went back through the process again.
 

Rayzor

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Awi...the options at air,water and ice seem very good...and at decent prices....spent some time today looking at the offerings from BulkReefSupplies.....
Jimmy...u got a point...the classification as "waste" automatically gives the wrong impression....but a note of clarification....the so called waste water is undrinkable...yes?
It should be concentrated water after filtering....and contain unacceptable levels of metals, minerals and nutrients....making it unsafe to drink....
Dont worry i dont have a RODI yet....so i havent tried it......lol
Just new to the game and trying to wrap my mind around all this........
 

Rayzor

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"Really"...lol
does anyone know what average tds readings are for the "waste" water.....? i guess most dont care.......lol.
Corals must wonder....how the hell are those people drinking the stuff that come out of that faucet...........:grumpy:
 

KathyC

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"Really"...lol
does anyone know what average tds readings are for the "waste" water.....? i guess most dont care.......lol.
Corals must wonder....how the hell are those people drinking the stuff that come out of that faucet...........:grumpy:

I've been making water all day..
In: 79
Out : 0
Waste Water: 114

Yuck!

Eric - please tell me the cat is wearing a sweater or something that I can't see in the pic too well...and not painted :(
 

beerfish

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Lol... it's child safety rated, and completely non-toxic. The stuff doesn't taste good, but is totally edible. It's basically theater make-up. I wouldn't put my cat in any danger, and he enjoys any attention he gets, so sat there and purred during the whole thing.
 

SevTT

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IMO, the reefing hobby is the antithesis to conservation. :(

  • amount of water wasted to get "pure" water
  • electricity to power our lights, pumps, heaters, chillers, fans etc
  • livestock losses at all levels of distribution from diver to LFS, including my own tank
  • live rock removal from its natural locations

While reefkeeping isn't 'green' by any measure, there're things that can be done to limit the impact. Using your RODI waste to water a garden with, for example.

I'd disagree that it's the antithesis to conservation, because it actually places value on otherwise valueless resources. Interest in reefkeeping and ecotourism has lead to marked improvement of both the actual reefs and reef management practices, when people moved in to educate them and pay them (orders of magnitude) more for things like net-caught fish. The actual number of organisms that're removed from reefs, in <i>most</i> cases, is probably minimal enough that it doesn't have much impact on <i>most</i> populations of fish and inverts. There are, of course, exceptions, but aquacultured, tank-raised, and maricultured fish, inverts, and corals are all becoming much more common. And, for the educated consumer, more desireable: I'd much rather have a tank-bred or aquacultured fish or invert than wild-caught, 'cause it's much more likely to thrive in my tank and much less likely to carry the worst types of pests. And, of course, people will pay higher prices for those animals.

So, yes, we're removing a lot of creatures from the wild, but comparative to commercial fishing for food species, the numbers are tiny, and being reduced as aquarium husbandry advances. People -- at least in my experience -- are becoming more educated about care and husbandry practices, so creatures will have more of a chance to survive in their tanks. (Twenty years ago, who'd think of setting up a tank and leaving it to mature for six months just so they could have a mandarin?) And, bottom line, it makes people give a crap about reefs and ocean environments in general. So ... on the one hand, yes, the hobby does some damage, but on the other hand, I'd argue that it does more to preserve reef environments than to damage them. At worst, I'd say that it's pretty much a break-even.
 

SevTT

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I think the EPA standard for "undrinkable" is somewhere in the 500 TDS range, so even if it's coming out high, it's probably still drinkable without causing harm... but I personally wouldn't drink it.

I don't think the EPA uses TDS as a limit, because it really has little if anything to do with whether the water is harmful to drink or not. Most spring waters will have extremely high TDS counts, as they'll be full of calcium and carbonate and iron and possibly phosphate and some nitrate, along with traces of more exotic things -- but they're perfectly safe to drink, because people can process all this stuff.

Try sticking your TDS meter in a glass of coke or orange juice or apple juice or something.

IN any case, it's not really something to worry about: if your membrane's processing water at a 1:4 product:reject ratio, the waste water's only 1.2 times 'dirtier' than it was, that is, having 20% more of what the input water had, across the board, in terms of ppm/L of whatever was dissolved in it. So if you drank a 10 ounce glass of reject water you'd get as much extra crud in it as if you'd drank a 12 oz glass of tapwater -- less, actually, since it went through the carbon prefilter that of course you have on your unit, and that eliminated most of the halogen group compounds, including chlorine and chloramine.
 

Rayzor

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Two excellent points SevTT....lets hope that aquacultured and tank raised livestock becomes a greater part of this hobby.....so that prices will become more stable and to reduce the pressure on the most popular species...in their natural habitat.
Wow...what a crash course on TDS and RODI water this thread has become...lol....
all the info is greatly appreciated...........
 

Deanos

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While reefkeeping isn't 'green' by any measure, there're things that can be done to limit the impact. Using your RODI waste to water a garden with, for example.

I'd disagree that it's the antithesis to conservation, because it actually places value on otherwise valueless resources. Interest in reefkeeping and ecotourism has lead to marked improvement of both the actual reefs and reef management practices, when people moved in to educate them and pay them (orders of magnitude) more for things like net-caught fish. The actual number of organisms that're removed from reefs, in <i>most</i> cases, is probably minimal enough that it doesn't have much impact on <i>most</i> populations of fish and inverts. There are, of course, exceptions, but aquacultured, tank-raised, and maricultured fish, inverts, and corals are all becoming much more common. And, for the educated consumer, more desireable: I'd much rather have a tank-bred or aquacultured fish or invert than wild-caught, 'cause it's much more likely to thrive in my tank and much less likely to carry the worst types of pests. And, of course, people will pay higher prices for those animals.

So, yes, we're removing a lot of creatures from the wild, but comparative to commercial fishing for food species, the numbers are tiny, and being reduced as aquarium husbandry advances. People -- at least in my experience -- are becoming more educated about care and husbandry practices, so creatures will have more of a chance to survive in their tanks. (Twenty years ago, who'd think of setting up a tank and leaving it to mature for six months just so they could have a mandarin?) And, bottom line, it makes people give a crap about reefs and ocean environments in general. So ... on the one hand, yes, the hobby does some damage, but on the other hand, I'd argue that it does more to preserve reef environments than to damage them. At worst, I'd say that it's pretty much a break-even.

Excellent points SevTT, but you didn't address the electricity issue or the removal of live rock from the oceans. As we all know, for every bullet I listed, there are ways to reduce their impact on the planet. But in the end, it's all for a hobby. Commercial fishing puts food on peoples' table...a far cry to compare that to our hobby. There are 100s if not 1000s of hobbies with zero to little impact on Planet Earth.

Could you elaborate on "places value on otherwise valueless resources"? I'm not sure what you mean by that. :eek:
 

Wes

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Deanos said:
Excellent points SevTT, but you didn't address the electricity issue or the removal of live rock from the oceans. As we all know, for every bullet I listed, there are ways to reduce their impact on the planet. But in the end, it's all for a hobby. Commercial fishing puts food on peoples' table...a far cry to compare that to our hobby. There are 100s if not 1000s of hobbies with zero to little impact on Planet Earth.

Could you elaborate on "places value on otherwise valueless resources"? I'm not sure what you mean by that. :eek:

liverock was not removed from the ocean for my 250g. Marcorocks and bacteria-in-a-bottle. I use more electricity than I would without a fishtank. Or maybe not because without this hobby i could afford a bigger house, LOL

I am a supporter of Green Energy and vote accordingly.

Reefkeeping Hobby has definitely made me aware of what is happening to the reefs around the world. Offshore drilling and Oil tankers crashing into reefs have done more damage than the hobby ever will.

If we keep the reefs healthy they can sustain this hobby with little impact if done responsibly.

I think the average hobbyist is more concerned with reef preservation than most non-reefers. Awareness is half the battle.

Everything has an impact. I think you will have a hard time giving an example of a zero impact hobby.

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Deanos

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The average hobbyist or the average Manhattan Reefer (or any other reefing website)? ;)

We$, if you had to guess, of all the tons of live rock in tanks represented by members of this website, what percentage would you say did not come from the ocean?

Offshore drilling does tons of damage to our oceans, but until a viable alternative is put into place, that's how we're able to drive most cars and heat many homes. Tankers crashing are accidents, and accidents are going to happen. Purple tangs and queen angelfish aren't accidentally caught and shipped all over the world for people's enjoyment.
 

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