refugium vs sump

[chasesng]

So what's the difference tween these 2 tanks? One has a skimmer and the other chaeto? I read somewhere that the fuge should be same elevation as tank but have seen plenty below with sump. I guess a fuge has lighting. Is one supposed to be bigger? Can u combine the 2? What % run sump or fuge or both? Don't recall ever seeing one of those polls asking the question.

I did a couple forum searches but didn't spot any similar discussions. So my apologies if asking question already asked. Would appreciate clue where can be found.

Thanks in advance

 

[Anthony.Luciano710]

a sump is the actual tank. the fuge is just a baffle that you can add chaeto and stuff to.

So what's the difference tween these 2 tanks? One has a skimmer and the other chaeto? I read somewhere that the fuge should be same elevation as tank but have seen plenty below with sump. I guess a fuge has lighting. Is one supposed to be bigger? Can u combine the 2? What % run sump or fuge or both? Don't recall ever seeing one of those polls asking the question.

I did a couple forum searches but didn't spot any similar discussions. So my apologies if asking question already asked. Would appreciate clue where can be found.

Thanks in advance

 

[Og Drogon]

A refugium is a way for live rock,microalgae,copods,amphipods,
Ect. to live,populate and help out in the filtration of your tank. but I do suggest in always having a skimmer too.
But I'm bad at explaining in detail so please somebody chime in and add some more info

 

[skene]

A sump is more or less partial biological filtration only. Usage of bioballs/live rock rubble in place, filtration pad. You can also use mechanical filtration as well like carbon or such. With little breakdown in detritus this can become a nitrate factory which would be more harmful to inverts and corals as waste tends to be collected only and builds up along time.
A refugium relies on more biological filtration such as sand, critters, live rock, algae to filter/breakdown and consume or break down waste and detritus.

give or take...

 

[Og Drogon]

In other words my sump/refugium has: first baffle some live rock,my skimmer,

2nd baffle has my refugium, and that has chaeto,live sand,liverock rubble,copods,amphipods,worms,

3rd baffle is where I keep my pump,heaters .

 

[Anthony.Luciano710]

lol i was just typing that but you beat me to it haha well heres an example of one

A refugium is a way for live rock,microalgae,copods,amphipods,
Ect. to live,populate and help out in the filtration of your tank. but I do suggest in always having a skimmer too.
But I'm bad at explaining in detail so please somebody chime in and add some more info

 

[duke62]

a sump is where your equipment goes,reactors return pumps,filter sock.skimmer,heater etc.a refugium is where you put macro algae to help out your nitrates and builds up pod populations and small critter that not only clean your system but are used for natural live foods.i have a 3 tank system.my refugium is 20 gallons and thats where the DT water drains into then the refugium drains into my sump back to the DT.its not the same height of my tank its below.

 

[duke62]

In other words my sump/refugium has: first baffle some live rock,my skimmer,

2nd baffle has my refugium, and that has chaeto,live sand,liverock rubble,copods,amphipods,worms,

3rd baffle is where I keep my pump,heaters .

dav you have a sump with a built in refugium.he was asking the difference between a refugium tank and a sump tank

 

[Anthony.Luciano710]

oh. i always thought the sump was the whole tank and the refugium was just a part of the sump.

dav you have a sump with a built in refugium.he was asking the difference between a refugium tank and a sump tank

 

[Og Drogon]

dav you have a sump with a built in refugium.he was asking the difference between a refugium tank and a sump tank

Ohhh I didn't know you could have one with out the other.

 

[duke62]

oh. i always thought the sump was the whole tank and the refugium was just a part of the sump.

thats why its important to do more reading

 

[Imbarrie]

A sump is simply defined as the lowest point in a system where fluid collects.
A refugium is a confined area where things can grow without the fear of becoming prey.
What we do with those two is what makes all the difference.

 

[chasesng]

This is great feedback because

i get to hear all the different ways this is being handled....

and means you guys are both creative and...

and making it up as you go...

and then i dont feel so overwhelmed.

Thanks everyone

 

[pdnyc69]

heres mine. i have a skimmer in chamber 1. cheato live rock and sand in chamber 2 and return pumps in chamber 3. my sump/refugium is a 125 non drill tank

 

[Og Drogon]

heres mine. i have a skimmer in chamber 1. cheato live rock and sand in chamber 2 and return pumps in chamber 3. my sump/refugium is a 125 non drill tank

+1 holy crap man that's one big A&$&$ sump/refugium

And that skimmer if that's what that is is Hugh , you can help the gulf man lol.

 

[duke62]

This is great feedback because

i get to hear all the different ways this is being handled....

and means you guys are both creative and...

and making it up as you go...

and then i dont feel so overwhelmed.

Thanks everyone

? what are we making up while we go ?

 

[DJYoshi]

a fuge is a place where things can grow & thrive without the fear of being prey.... ie pods, etc. the thick sand bed (6"+) & rocks won't be disturbed which is important in nitrate reduction b/c in order for nitrates to be broken down, the nitrifying bacteria needs a low-oxygen environment to grow & thrive.

My fuge is seperate from my sump.
My overflow from the DT drains into the sump chamber 1 which has my skimmer. From there it goes through foam & LR after a baffle then flows into chamber 2 which has a pump that's tee'd off: 1 end goes to the reactors...the other end drains into the fuge...the fuge water is returned into the collection area & then the last pump is my return pump back to the DT.

sump by definition is the lowest part where water collects.

 

[chasesng]

dont get defensive about "making it up while you go". its free form enough that everybody seems to come up with their own unique ways more from necessity than preplanning. something doesnt fit exactly right or reach or do just what you want....so you figure out how to make it work.

 

[Og Drogon]

YOU:i get to hear all the different ways this is being handled....

ME:HANDLED: makes it sound like we trying to find a fix to a problem, we not. Its what works for our system.

YOU:and means you guys are both creative and...
making it up as you go...

ME:MAKE IT UP AS WE GO: you must be kidding, there's lots of study and research that goes into what works for our system, we just don't wing it!


It's the way you word it, that makes it sound like we just guessing it.
And that's far from the case .

Love pease and harmony

 

[chasesng]

Lol