just traded some corals and lots of acro eating flatworms!!

[ducati335i]

Dipped in coral rx, now gonna dip them again, i am paranoid.. then they go in my qt tank.. should i even bother? or should i toss them out?

pix show before and after, im gonna dip and swirl for part two them maybe add to qt tank.. i never dealt w aefw so i dont know if i even want to chance these in my qt tank

what do u guys think?

 

[ecchybridLE]

Damn dude. That is a lot of aefw on such small frags. I would be real cautious. Even if u get them off completely, there may still be eggs left on the dead matter or in the polyps. I would glue them to disk and be sure to cover all the fresh cut part of the coral. Then dip and re-dip and leave in a qt. it is a shot in the dark if u completely rid the coral of them. Also as a pre-caution to everyone else, tell us where u got those from! Lol. I would not want to trade with them!

 

[duke62]

+1 who did you get them from

 

[duke62]

oh and toss them

 

[ducati335i]

Schprock is the name fellas great guy but now I did place them in my qt.. Going downstairs to toss them all out there are some nice ones too..
So there goes the new mh unit traded for wasted coral rx , frag plugs, glue, gas, aggravation ... Pissed

 

[ducati335i]

He offered my mh lights back I'm helping him out.. Win some loss some some

 

[rcharliesam]

That was nice of him to try to make it right. Good thing you dipped the corals and didn't just put them in your tank.

 

[sunny]

OK - The AEFW lay eggs at the base of the corals. I did not see the base in your pics since you have frags. Yes, when you dipped then they fell off. However the chances of the eggs being on a frag that is not a mother colony with a base - are very slim.

You should dip the same frags again in 1 week and see if anything falls off yet again. I do not think something will

AEFW are nasty I agree, however most of the people in this hobby are not aware that they have them. I am not sure who you got the frags from, but I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that they just did not know he has AEFW.

Oh well, then there are some (few) who do try and scr*w hobbyist but there is not much we can do about that attitude.

Sunny

 

[ducati335i]

OK - The AEFW lay eggs at the base of the corals. I did not see the base in your pics since you have frags. Yes, when you dipped then they fell off. However the chances of the eggs being on a frag that is not a mother colony with a base - are very slim.

You should dip the same frags again in 1 week and see if anything falls off yet again. I do not think something will

AEFW are nasty I agree, however most of the people in this hobby are not aware that they have them. I am not sure who you got the frags from, but I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that they just did not know he has AEFW.

Oh well, then there are some (few) who do try and scr*w hobbyist but there is not much we can do about that attitude.

Sunny

yes i agree hes not a bad guy at all.. very cool actually.. he is happy that i let him know and is sorry about the situation.. I hope to get the lights back and hopefully he can rid the flatworms.. wish this hobby was easier!

 

[James404]

It has been shown that when the eggs hatch the juveniles actually enter into the corals skeleton through dead tissue areas. I would definitely qt them if you want to keep them. Having dealt with then myself in my old tank I would never risk it.

 

[sunny]

It has been shown that when the eggs hatch the juveniles actually enter into the corals skeleton through dead tissue areas.

I am sorry, but I do not follow what you mean. Could you please be a little more specific about your experience?

 

[James404]

What I stated was not opinion from my own experience, there was studies conducted that showed that juvenile AEFW after hatching would quickly enter inside a corals dead skeleton, through open polyps to "hide out" and come out to eat the living tissue. I will find the article I was reading, it was only a few days ago I came across it. Here is one very good study:
http://www.burgerszoo.eu/media/108785/chapter 6.pdf

I don't believe the one above references what I stated, I will look for the other one.

 

[James404]

Ok I can not dig up the PDF at this moment, but the study was conducted by Kate Rawlinson, who studies and is said to be an expert on Polyclads. She says:


"I?ve had more success with the embryos though. They?re fascinating and I have never seen anything like it before. I opened up egg capsules and immediately embryos, which were well developed, swam into the coral skeleton never to be seen again. So I think they must hide and feed in there until they?re larger and visible with the naked eye. I did manage to pipette some embryos before they swam off and got photos of them alive (see attachment).There are multiple embryos per capsule ~3-6 and because I was opening up the capsules it is difficult to say the exact stage of development of each embryo. At first I thought they were direct developers (ie without a larval stage) but with closer inspection I noted ciliated lobes and other larval characters such as apical and caudal tufts. If you look at the photos I?ve attached you?ll see that the embryos are slightly different; one is more cylindrical with more obvious lobes and the second is more flattened and vermiform. Although it?s early days, what I think could be happening is that this is an intermediate developmental mode whereby a larval form develops in the egg capsule but under goes metamorphosis before hatching."

 

[ducati335i]

damn,,, well i did keep some of them in the qt... thats what its there for i guess... im going to monitor and dip every 5 days in coral rx for 15 minutes and see what happens.. i mean if there are any eggs wont they have to hatch in a couple days? so if i keep redipping for a couple weeks then i dont see what the big deal would be? idk

 

[ducati335i]

Ok I can not dig up the PDF at this moment, but the study was conducted by Kate Rawlinson, who studies and is said to be an expert on Polyclads. She says:


"I?ve had more success with the embryos though. They?re fascinating and I have never seen anything like it before. I opened up egg capsules and immediately embryos, which were well developed, swam into the coral skeleton never to be seen again. So I think they must hide and feed in there until they?re larger and visible with the naked eye. I did manage to pipette some embryos before they swam off and got photos of them alive (see attachment).There are multiple embryos per capsule ~3-6 and because I was opening up the capsules it is difficult to say the exact stage of development of each embryo. At first I thought they were direct developers (ie without a larval stage) but with closer inspection I noted ciliated lobes and other larval characters such as apical and caudal tufts. If you look at the photos I?ve attached you?ll see that the embryos are slightly different; one is more cylindrical with more obvious lobes and the second is more flattened and vermiform. Although it?s early days, what I think could be happening is that this is an intermediate developmental mode whereby a larval form develops in the egg capsule but under goes metamorphosis before hatching."

o damn! thanx for the input... now did u end up winning the battle or?

 

[James404]

No I did not, I lost every acro I had in that tank after constant dips every three days and then the in-tank levamisole experiments I tried. It was a waste of about 4 months. That tank has been broken down (75g) and now have the 225.

 

[duke62]

hopefully my treatments will work for me

 

[James404]

I hope so too duke, good luck and you know if you need anything just shoot me a PM.

 

[duke62]

yeah man. at least i can be the test dummy for the new ZEO flat worm stop on MR

 

[ecchybridLE]

yeah man. at least i can be the test dummy for the new ZEO flat worm stop on MR

Wtf , u got flatworms bro? How did this happen? The zeo treatment is supposed to be pretty legit