Dendronepthya and other nonphotosynthetic organisms
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How did I make a personal attack? We have all bought something that was miss labled. If you mean when I asked you how long you have been in the hobby, I meant nothing more than that, some time it helps to know how long some one has been doing this.Also the coral you posted could be photosynthetic. I have looked it up in my soft corals and sea fans book and believe the coral is neosongodes or leminela, not a nepthia.
I rejected Lemnalia because of the lack of sclerites in the polyps. It seems to meet the color and sclerite qualifications of a Nephthea, but because as of yet it has not retracted to a cauliflower-like appearance, I can't say for sure. I tend to discount it being a Neospongodes because it was not doing well at the LFS with excellent lighting and a fair amount of nutrition. So, I went with what it came in as, a Dendro. Upon reflection, I am wondering if it is some sort of Stereonephthya.
Thats a common Lemnalia, see them all the time. That coral looks nothing like a dendro and if your local fish store couldn't tell the difference between the 2 I'd question any advice you get from them. Stuff comes in mis labeled from the wholesales all the time, a good store knows the difference. IMO.
I too would like to know how long you've been keep corals. I highly recommend that you don't try to find or purchase any dendros, Do some more reading and research first. Don't help the stores by buying these corals just to have them die in your tank. I'd say within a year people will have them figured out and there requirements all dialed in.
Lots and lots of research has been done to get us to the point we are. Jumping in the middle without any research isn't the way to make progress. It just made this thread take a step back.
Erik
Your lemanlia coral likes light and will also take in food.
I too would like to know how long you've been keep corals. I highly recommend that you don't try to find or purchase any dendros, Do some more reading and research first. Don't help the stores by buying these corals just to have them die in your tank. I'd say within a year people will have them figured out and there requirements all dialed in.
Lots and lots of research has been done to get us to the point we are. Jumping in the middle without any research isn't the way to make progress. It just made this thread take a step back.
Erik
Your lemanlia coral likes light and will also take in food.
This will be my last post in the forum. I do not like the tone. In closing, after further study, I will state the following:
Both Erik and Chuck have made their decisions based on how this colony has looked in a small picture that does not show any detail at all. Second, and perhaps more telling, at least in accordance with Borneman's book on corals, they have not asked a single question about the sclerites. Sclerite placement, etc., is at least one factor in determining genus. Third, this specimen, in appearance, is not that different than the one contained on page 138 of Borneman's book, left hand column, second picture down. Fourth, this colony fits this portion of Borneman's description to a tea: "Colonies are somewhat broccoli-like, with upright stalks.... [A]nd the sclerites may even extend outside the polyp tissue. The scerites of Dendrophthelya are particularly needlelike, quite long..." Page 136
Additionally, until my participation in this forum, there was no mention of the W & S study, regardless of whether or not Erik and and Chuck find it of merit. As for the research they speak of, to date, it does not reach the level of the W & S study in the sense that because W & S used carbon tagging they established actual digestion of the planktonic matter as opposed to merely seeing an ingestion. I do not mean, in any manner, to suggest that Eric and Chuck are not succeeding, they are. But their methodolgy is not ready for prime time, they realize this, and it isn't even clear what the underlying reasons for their success are.
Finally, and I this is a bit of a dig, the accepted spelling of these things are: Dendronephthya (not Dendronepthya) and Nephthea (not Nepthea).
I thank all for their contributions during my stay in this forum.
Both Erik and Chuck have made their decisions based on how this colony has looked in a small picture that does not show any detail at all. Second, and perhaps more telling, at least in accordance with Borneman's book on corals, they have not asked a single question about the sclerites. Sclerite placement, etc., is at least one factor in determining genus. Third, this specimen, in appearance, is not that different than the one contained on page 138 of Borneman's book, left hand column, second picture down. Fourth, this colony fits this portion of Borneman's description to a tea: "Colonies are somewhat broccoli-like, with upright stalks.... [A]nd the sclerites may even extend outside the polyp tissue. The scerites of Dendrophthelya are particularly needlelike, quite long..." Page 136
Additionally, until my participation in this forum, there was no mention of the W & S study, regardless of whether or not Erik and and Chuck find it of merit. As for the research they speak of, to date, it does not reach the level of the W & S study in the sense that because W & S used carbon tagging they established actual digestion of the planktonic matter as opposed to merely seeing an ingestion. I do not mean, in any manner, to suggest that Eric and Chuck are not succeeding, they are. But their methodolgy is not ready for prime time, they realize this, and it isn't even clear what the underlying reasons for their success are.
Finally, and I this is a bit of a dig, the accepted spelling of these things are: Dendronephthya (not Dendronepthya) and Nephthea (not Nepthea).
I thank all for their contributions during my stay in this forum.
It looks like to me what might have you upset, is the question, how long have you been in the hobby? I asked the question because, it seems you are new to the hobby, not to discedit you. You seem to be thin skined. I understand the W and S paper, but it is one of a ton of papers I have collected, the really informative papers are the ones you have to pay for. These corals are extremely hard to keep. This thread is meant to be a great source of information, not a place to argue. If you are new at keeping these organisms it would be smart to stop quoting papers because they dont keep corals. The papers are a good reference to start from but, they dont need to be brought up every time you post.
Chuck
Chuck
It looks like to me what might have you upset, is the question, how long have you been in the hobby? I asked the question because, it seems you are new to the hobby, not to discedit you. You seem to be thin skined. I understand the W and S paper, but it is one of a ton of papers I have collected, the really informative papers are the ones you have to pay for. These corals are extremely hard to keep. This thread is meant to be a great source of information, not a place to argue. If you are new at keeping these organisms it would be smart to stop quoting papers because they dont keep corals. The papers are a good reference to start from but, they dont need to be brought up every time you post.
Chuck
Chuck
We can tell by looking at that pick because we know corals, Its one of those things were I'm pretty sure and I'd go out on a limb and bet a few hundred dollars thats what it is.
We ask you how long you've been in the hobby because that will show what you've learned hands on or do you just quote authors and papers. I've been at this so long I can look at the tank and tell if nitrates are high, if phosopates are high a ruff good guess at whats my calcium without doing test. That kind of experience doesn't come over night or over years it comes from a long time keeping corals...Im at 16-17 years. The coral you post in my private message showed that you have a Clam, red mushrooms, gonipora, green star polyps and a scerlo. The Green star polyps were a dead give away that your new to this. Not saying thats bad but Your not ready to keep the expert of the expert stuff. Not saying I am or chuck is either, but we've got a few legs up on you in experience and knowledge. The fact that you wanted to argue that your coral is still a dendro just shows that you'r not on the same page. Just because Eric B book describes same characteristics means nothing really. there are so many corals that are a like. Your photo, a not clear picture, still shows what that coral is...not a dendro.
Sorry your turned off to the site, thats not what we ment to do. But in good faith for keeping these animals its best to turn people such as yourself away from them. Sorry thats just how it is. Your tank is not the type of tank for these animals. It's to much of a hodge podge.
Erik
We ask you how long you've been in the hobby because that will show what you've learned hands on or do you just quote authors and papers. I've been at this so long I can look at the tank and tell if nitrates are high, if phosopates are high a ruff good guess at whats my calcium without doing test. That kind of experience doesn't come over night or over years it comes from a long time keeping corals...Im at 16-17 years. The coral you post in my private message showed that you have a Clam, red mushrooms, gonipora, green star polyps and a scerlo. The Green star polyps were a dead give away that your new to this. Not saying thats bad but Your not ready to keep the expert of the expert stuff. Not saying I am or chuck is either, but we've got a few legs up on you in experience and knowledge. The fact that you wanted to argue that your coral is still a dendro just shows that you'r not on the same page. Just because Eric B book describes same characteristics means nothing really. there are so many corals that are a like. Your photo, a not clear picture, still shows what that coral is...not a dendro.
Sorry your turned off to the site, thats not what we ment to do. But in good faith for keeping these animals its best to turn people such as yourself away from them. Sorry thats just how it is. Your tank is not the type of tank for these animals. It's to much of a hodge podge.
Erik
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