SEARCHING FOR: Golden Pygmy AngeL

[inkblue]

...anyOne have one thats eating and heaLthy ?

:groupflip

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Just curious, why everyone is always mentioning/worring about fish "eating and healthy". Note: I know that implies bad health-don't mistaken me for not knowing that. I am just asking because it seems to me that those bad luck does not happen to me much.

ALL fish that passes by me are eating in less than an hour in my holding or regular tanks. Am I being lucky or am I just having easy-to-care-for fishes? Or is it the world outside my proximity is really a jungle where a lot of bad fish are going around?

 

[inkblue]

dunno, juSt waNt one tHat eatS... :biggrinpa:meow::bablefish

 

[Deanos]

ALL fish that passes by me are eating in less than an hour in my holding or regular tanks. Am I being lucky or am I just having easy-to-care-for fishes? Or is it the world outside my proximity is really a jungle where a lot of bad fish are going around?

Probably easy-to-care-for or tank bred fish. Hard to say without knowing what species and from whom you're getting your fish.

 

[masterswimmer]

Wingo, one of the biggest problems with WC fish (and pygmy angels are WC) is that they are hit or miss with regards to eating in captivity. Sometimes this is due to stress and there are other times it is due to capture techniques, ie: cyanide.

The same goes for health of WC fish. If capture techniques are poor (cyanide) there survivability ratio drops dramatically.

Having a WC fish that eats, displays nice fin extension, no visible parasites or disease, increases the chances of survival in an aquarium setting.

swimmer

 

[cali_reef]

Just curious, why everyone is always mentioning/worring about fish "eating and healthy". Note: I know that implies bad health-don't mistaken me for not knowing that. I am just asking because it seems to me that those bad luck does not happen to me much.

ALL fish that passes by me are eating in less than an hour in my holding or regular tanks. Am I being lucky or am I just having easy-to-care-for fishes? Or is it the world outside my proximity is really a jungle where a lot of bad fish are going around?

You are a lucky man.. Most fish in the LFS are either not eating or not eating the proper food, getting them to demonstrate the fish is feeding will give you the knowledge the fish is willing to eat. A fish not eating will die after a while, even if you have the correct living environment.

 

[inkblue]

:frown::dead1: h20 had oNe on hoLd foR me, but eventuAlly diEd coZ it did noT eat... lucKily h20 heLd it & wouLdnt seLL it unTil it ate

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Thanks for reminding me the implications which I already stated I understand. But what I don't understand is that it seems you guys frequent some LFS that are really having a lot of poor health fish. Probably, I am getting the fish fly to me directly in very short period of time and thus not stressing them much. Well, I guess I am in luck.

Sorry for getting off topic, let me ask one more question. Do you guys have problem with mail ordering fish from, say, john doe website(not from farms/importers)? I never did that so no statistic to tell.

 

[marrone]

The biggest misconception is that a fish that is eating is a good thing and will make it or that it stands a better chance of making it. This is not the case and a lot of fish will eat things but it's not what the fish actually needs to surive and even though it's eating it will probably die in the short term. There is always a chance that you take when you purchase a fish that is hard to get to start eating, let alone the correct food. It can take quite some time and in some case it never happens. These fish should really be left to people who have a lot of expreicnce or the proper setup to handle such a fish. More fish die because some one see them eating or thinks they get them to eat without researching what the fish needs to surive.

A lot of the pygmy angels are now being captive raise and because of that they take all kinds of food. They have a much better surival rate and those are the ones you should look for.

Also fish that are caught using cyanide will eat in the beganing, and then waste away over time. So you need to be carefully when selecting a fish. You should know where the fish comes from, as certain area are known to use cyanide. Remember you should take great care in selecting a fish and not just buy it right away. Some fish live for very long time so you need to make a good selection.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

A lot of the pygmy angels are now being captive raise and because of that they take all kinds of food. They have a much better surival rate and those are the ones you should look for.

IC thanks.

 

[inkblue]

:backtotop tHanks for the great inFo... now, baCk to my searcH pLease...

:flower::approve::turtle::party:

 

[scarf_ace1981]

i don't know if you were informed already but marinecenter has them.

 

[marrone]

Unless you need one right now FishTown gets them in from time to time also so does New World.

 

[inkblue]

rangehat:usa1: n0 ruSh, i've been looKing for one foR monThs now... juSt waNt a heaLthy one

 

[Sean]

hey ink I'll keep an eye out for one

 

[inkblue]

:flirt::afro::dog: tHankz!

 

[pecan2phat]

Just curious, why everyone is always mentioning/worring about fish "eating and healthy". Note: I know that implies bad health-don't mistaken me for not knowing that. I am just asking because it seems to me that those bad luck does not happen to me much.

ALL fish that passes by me are eating in less than an hour in my holding or regular tanks. Am I being lucky or am I just having easy-to-care-for fishes? Or is it the world outside my proximity is really a jungle where a lot of bad fish are going around?

I would say that you probably haven't visited your wholesaler's facility. All their fish look good because it's a massive turnaround from day one. They are taking orders by the tenfolds and have shipments coming in from their transhippers on a daily basis. The DOA count is also high but you'll never see those, it's just a liabilty of the business. Any fish that are not within a grade A will not be available on the stock list so you'll never see them for sale.
People continue to purchase from controversal LFS like FishTown because of 2 reasons, first is because they don't deal with wholesalers and cut out the middleman. They have established relationships with the transhippers and sometimes sell fish for less than you can get them on your wholesale cost sheet. An example would be SDC's WC for a medium RS Regal angel @ $57.95. Fish Town regularly brings these in with his RS shipments and retails them for $59.99 mind you that the SDC price doesn't even factor in the air freight that you as a retailer needs to pay for when you pick up the cargo at JFK. That's a extreme example but some of the regular fish have the average 100% markup (which isn't bad compared to most other LFS) and some have less, at least compared to a large wholesaler's price list like SDC.
The second reason is because hobbiest that have some time under their belt know that the likelyhood of that hard to get fish that shows up at Fishtown has a 100% better chance in their private tanks then if left for a week at Fishtown's rack system whether they were eating or not. To be specific, Golden pygmy angels are not as rare as they were a few years ago. When they popped up on the market back then, they were a $300 fish. Fishtown gets them in every now and then and retails them @ $59. Everywhere else retails them @ $99 and higher. Whichever LFS that they end up in, the likelyhood of the majority will not eat. They are a deepwater cryptic fish that needs to be decompressed properly. If they are properly caught, it is not uncommon for them to take up to a month or two before they will come out in the open to take prepared foods during feeding. Key to having success with them is to place them in a well established reef tank enviroment with plenty of live rock for them to browse. This will sustain them until you can get them to eat. This applies to about half the Regal angels out there also.
Having said all that, I bought my Golden and RS Regal angel without them showing any signs of eating at the LFS. I asked them to feed out of habit but I knew that they probably would not eat. My Regal didn't eat prepared foods for 2 weeks, then ate most of the zoanthids on week 3, then started to take prepared foods during the 4th to 5th week. If this fish was in a FO or possibly a FOWLR tank, it would be dead. My Golden pygmy didn't come out until the 3rd month that I had him. I've had both for over a year now.

On the same note though, I wouldn't buy some fish that are more common that would not eat at a LFS. Confusing yet?

 

[prattreef]

Marrone, I agree with most of what you said, but while there have been recent break throughs in the captive reraring of Pygmy angels, they are not commonly available by any means. Flame angels could be found for a while, but no longer to my knowledge and the only other captive bred species I know of are they VERY expensive (@$1,000) rare species like C. interruptus being bred in Hawaii. If you know of other species/ sources please let me know.

Randy

 

[Sean]

I have heard of and seen pictures of flame, interuptus and heraldi being bred in captivity but have never seen them in person. Always looking but have never found them available from any source. I used to get maculosus captive bred from ORA but two or three years ago there was a big storm that wiped out a part of their facilities. Mac's are now no longer available.

 

[Sean]

Pecan just so you know if SDC is the company I'm tinking of there fish are MAC certified. If that makes ant difference to you.
golden angels are still an uncommon fish in the hobby. They have gone down in price but are still considered uncommon
I totally agree with taking the risk with these fish and putting them in an established reef tank. I have a regal angel at the shop that I've had over a month and I still haven't seen it eat. It's alone in a 180 gallon reef, never seen it eat prepared foods but picks at the rock and coral all day. Maybee one day he'll start eating frozen foods.