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jcooler

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I used 4" x 24" for mine. Seems to be fine, but my tank is only 75G.
I used 75' of 1/4" O.D. tubing(1/8 I.D., i think) coiled inside the pvc.
I like the idea of having it on the outside of the PVC, because it leaves my room for bio balls in the center, and more room for the bacteria to do its job. Just make sure you use tubing that blocks light, or algae will be a problem.
I have read about people using multiple coils and a single output, but I cant say if its good or bad. My coil is one continuous feed of 75'. The main goal of the tubing is to allow proper surface area for the aerobic bacteria to consume up all the O2.
I built mine on March 9, 2009, so its only been going for a little over a month and a half. The effluent water is showing zero nitrates, so it is working, but the tank water still has ~20 ppm nitrates.
I have been struggling with the proper drip rate. It seems hard to find a good balance where I don't get the rotten egg smell , but still show 0 nitrates on the output. But I thinks its getting better as time goes on. In the early stages, it took out all the nitrate, but only at drip rate of 1drip/sec. But I still got the rotten egg smell. It seems that I am now able to speed up the drip rate a little more and still get good results. IMO, building 2 of them would be more efficient, because you filter through twice as much water at the same time, but I have read that using multiple coils in the same unit will allow you to speed up the flow rate as well. So I really don't know which is better.
Oh yeah, as far as coiling the tubing, its only save space, its the length that matters, not the shape of it.
Hope this helps. I'm not an expert on these, as mine is still pretty new, but I have read almost every article out there on them.
 

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Alfani,
if your still reading this post, I would like to here how yours is doing. Mine is designed pretty much the same way your is with a few slight differences. But all the stuff that matters is just like yours.
 

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JC: appreciate the quick response. My big issue is really trying to figure out sizing/tubing for the size tank I have. I am pretty sure one 24" PVC pipe with 50-75' of tubing will not make a big enough dent in turning over the water and bringing down the nitrate in this large a tank.

Any other takers that have larger tanks?
 

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I agree with you Hawk, its very slow. Even on my small 75g, its VERY SLOWLY bringing down nitrates. I have read that you can use larger tubing, and a longer length in order to allow for a faster flow rate, which would in turn, turn over more water quicker.
Or, just make 2 of them.
Just my 2 cents. I'm hoping someone with a larger tank will chime in too.
 

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I've read through that one more than once. lol
lots of good info in that thread. I understand it all, I'm just still trying to fine tune the drip rate. Too fast = nitrates in the output, too slow = rotten egg smell.
I have found both of those extremes, just havent found the "just right" flow yet. but I'm getting closer and closer every day. I went back to 1 drip/sec, and speed it up as slightly as I can each day, and test. the egg smell is getting less and less, so I'm getting close.
I'm at about 2 drips per sec now. But in the past,when I went to 3 drips per second, I was showing the same nitrate level in the output as in the tank.
Anyway, I know none of this helps you with your question, so good luck. I'm interested to see someone else answer as well.
 
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I've read through that one more than once. lol
lots of good info in that thread. I understand it all, I'm just still trying to fine tune the drip rate. Too fast = nitrates in the output, too slow = rotten egg smell.
I have found both of those extremes, just havent found the "just right" flow yet. but I'm getting closer and closer every day. I went back to 1 drip/sec, and speed it up as slightly as I can each day, and test. the egg smell is getting less and less, so I'm getting close.
I'm at about 2 drips per sec now. But in the past,when I went to 3 drips per second, I was showing the same nitrate level in the output as in the tank.
Anyway, I know none of this helps you with your question, so good luck. I'm interested to see someone else answer as well.

If you oxygenate the water coming out of the denitrator you can eliminate the sulfur smell.
 
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Alfani,
if your still reading this post, I would like to here how yours is doing. Mine is designed pretty much the same way your is with a few slight differences. But all the stuff that matters is just like yours.

since i use gravity feed and use clear 3/8 feeding tube, after few months my 3/8 outer tubes (feeding tube) got algae inside it and while cleaning it a chunk of algae went inside the unit and got stuck. I took it apart and completely replace the inner coils and use a black feeding tube now. I also added another unit with only bio-balls. right now i have a total of 70 inches, 2 units...my first unit still have 100 feet of coil connects to the second unit with only bio-balls with 3 feet of coils to make sure water coming from bottom up. so for anyone out there making this, cover your feeding tube or make sure there is no light inside your tubes otherwise it will have algae and eventually got clott.
 

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If you oxygenate the water coming out of the denitrator you can eliminate the sulfur smell.

I have the water dripping into the refugium to oxygenate the water, but I still get the sulfur smell. If I speed up the drip, It doesn't eat up all the nitrates.

Is there a better way to oxygenate the water? I'm sure there is, but I havent figured that one out yet. Maybe a camber with a air stone in it or something?
 
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i have the line directly into my gravity feed skimmer so it's dripping into the skimmer, haven't notice any smell


I have the water dripping into the refugium to oxygenate the water, but I still get the sulfur smell. If I speed up the drip, It doesn't eat up all the nitrates.

Is there a better way to oxygenate the water? I'm sure there is, but I havent figured that one out yet. Maybe a camber with a air stone in it or something?
 

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i have the line directly into my gravity feed skimmer so it's dripping into the skimmer, haven't notice any smell

Barring a skimmer you can always use an old soda bottle with carbon. Just punch holes in it and fill it with carbon then run the output line through the cap of the bottle and screw it on. With the slow rate of drip you shouldn't have to change out the carbon too often. If you smell sulfur it's time to change the carbon.
 

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I am just wondering if anyone has tried running these things in serial, like 3 in a row, where the output from the first goes into the second and the output from the second goes into the third.

Definitely more dwell time for the bacteria to work.
 

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I am just wondering if anyone has tried running these things in serial, like 3 in a row, where the output from the first goes into the second and the output from the second goes into the third.

Definitely more dwell time for the bacteria to work.



I'm pretty sure that is how Alfani is running his.
 

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if u have a sulfur smell the flow needs to be increased. dont worry if you don't get zero nitrates right away. It takes a few days for the bacteria to catch up.

The idea is to slowly and steadily increase the flow over time until you have a steady stream running through it with zero nitrates.
 
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Wes

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I am just wondering if anyone has tried running these things in serial, like 3 in a row, where the output from the first goes into the second and the output from the second goes into the third.

Definitely more dwell time for the bacteria to work.

better to run three in parallel.

the water exiting one coil denitrator should have zero nitrates...or it is not built properly.
 

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