Has anyone tried or heard of Eco Aqualizer??

[jager67]

Just to set the record straight, Im only endorsing this product based on my observations of my reef tank. Im not employed by the manufacture. I happend to live in Chino Hills California. Based on all the past responses, I can see why some people might be skeptical of my recent post. The fact that righty wants to know more about me, doesnt bother me at all....

 

[Jime]

My point is this, Righty has been an anti-Eco advocate from the beginning. Every piece of positive evidence that has been produced has been dismissed by him as "suspect", including the return policy. He has admitted no personal experience so I have to assume that he is basing his opinion that the ECO is a "scam" on what he has read, which he has obviously accepted as gospel. When someone offers a positive review he insinuates that the person is a mole sent by the company.

And you are incorrect. 'He doesn't believe anything he reads about this product, unless it is negative' is untrue.

Why am I incorrect? The thread speaks for itself, you have had nothing but negative things to say about the ECO and to suggest my earlier statement is untrue is just silly. I think you have made it very clear that you believe the company and it's product is a scam.

I believe much about the product and the company, just not its claims about how the device works, and to a large extent that it does what they say it does

What does this mean? :lol: BTW I'm not taking pot shots. I'm just stating the facts as I see them and all you have to do is reread the thread, your beliefs are made very clear. I apologize if my remarks offended you in anyway. That is certainly not my intent.

Perhaps because I had none.

Again that is my point. You accept every negative remark and question and dismiss everything that can be seen as positive.

 

[Anonymous]

My point is this, Righty has been an anti-Eco advocate from the beginning. Every piece of positive evidence that has been produced has been dismissed by him as "suspect", including the return policy. He has admitted no personal experience so I have to assume that he is basing his opinion that the ECO is a "scam" on what he has read, which he has obviously accepted as gospel.

Then you havent been reading this thread, or you are just remembering the parts you want to remember. I am basing my opinion on the ECO on the fact that there is no science to support its claims. All else has been side discussions on the nature of scams.

When someone offers a positive review he insinuates that the person is a mole sent by the company.

I made no such insinuation. I directly asked, and was directly responded to. You will note I did not question jager's responses to my question.

Why am I incorrect? The thread speaks for itself, you have had nothing but negative things to say about the ECO and to suggest my earlier statement is untrue is just silly. I think you have made it very clear that you believe the company and it's product is a scam.

There are many things about the product that I believe. Again, I don't believe that it does what they claim it does, nor do I believe it is possible for it to do it by the process they claim.

I believe much about the product and the company, just not its claims about how the device works, and to a large extent that it does what they say it does

What does this mean? :lol:

I believe they are selling the product. I believe they make claims that it works. I believe that some think it has benifited their tank. I belive it has watch battery sized magnets in it. I believe it is made out of plastic. I believe water runs through it. Etc. Nit picky, sure, but accurate none the less.

I am hugely open to looking at any data they may have on the things workings, and I am open to being convinced that the device works based on that data. They have produced none, and have, in fact, decided discussing their product to be a waste of their time. Those two things alone should be major warning signals. You would not buy a car that proported to make you safer in an accident if the company producing it acted the same way.

BTW I'm not taking pot shots. I'm just stating the facts as I see them and all you have to do is reread the thread, your believes are made very clear. I apologize if my remarks offended you in anyway. That is certainly not my intent.

You post asking jager to 'forgive' me is clearly a pot shot. There was no reason for it. It presented no new info, asked no questions, and did nothing to further the discussion - unless you consider backtracking the conversation furthering it. I know it, Len knows it, and I bet most others reading this thread know it. I even suspect that you know it, but are unwilling to admit it.

Perhaps because I had none.

Again that is my point. You accept every negative remark and question and dismiss everything that can be seen as positive.

Why would you believe that my not asking questions that I feel either others have asked, or that have already been answered is acceptance?

I have also not asked jager any follow up questions because he has answered them - and his responses were ECO positive. But clearly you neglect to notice that.

 

[Len]

Hey now, leave me out of this

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, O my master!

 

[Len]

If there was any sarcasm in that, may a thousand curses plague you and your reef tank :twisted:

 

[Anonymous]

I'd say it probably works, but only if you believe it works.

 

[Anonymous]

I'd say it probably works, but only if you believe it works.

Try instead to realize the truth. There is no particulate.

 

[Jime]

I am basing my opinion on the ECO on the fact that there is no science to support its claims.

So the lack of evidence is how you've came to the conclusion that the ECO is a scam. Most people wouldn't take such a stance on a lack of evidence. There seems to be a lack of evidence that ECO is a scam, yet you have no problem taking a hardline position that it is in fact a scam. Convince me with scientific evidence that this product, the ECO-Aqualizer is in fact a scam. Evidence I asked for clear back on page one.

You post asking jager to 'forgive' me is clearly a pot shot. There was no reason for it. It presented no new info, asked no questions, and did nothing to further the discussion

I think that is was necessary to clarify your position on this product to a new comer. I thought that it would help him/her to better understand why you would ask the question you asked. I apologize again that you were offended by my statement. To suggest that you have only posted pertinent questions or info to this discussion is laughable. I guess you need to be reminded that you thought it was funny that I was called a troll. What does that add to the debate?

I believe they are selling the product. I believe they make claims that it works. I believe that some think it has benifited their tank. I belive it has watch battery sized magnets in it. I believe it is made out of plastic. I believe water runs through it. Etc. Nit picky, sure, but accurate none the less.

I'm sorry but this is just sad. The debate is about rather or not the ECO works or is in fact a scam, not rather it exists. I think that you haven't been reading the thread.

 

[esmithiii]

Jime- some claims are simply so outrageous than most people with any basic level of understanding in the fields of science willl recognize them as being false, and catering to the ignorant or slow-witted. That, by the way is the definition of a scam.

Not to be rude, but that is my perspective.

Ernie

 

[Anonymous]

So the lack of evidence is how you've came to the conclusion that the ECO is a scam. Most people wouldn't take such a stance on a lack of evidence.

And I don't either - haven't we been over this?
The lack of evidence combined with outrageous claims combined with classic con advertising combined with the way people from the company have conducted themselves add up to more than likely a scam.
Again, if they would produce some data, we could have a real discussion about the product.

There seems to be a lack of evidence that ECO is a scam, yet you have no problem taking a hardline possicion that it is in fact a scam.

Haven't we been over this?
I believe there has been ample evidence regarding the 'scamyness' of this product posted to this thread.

Convince me with scientific evidence that this product, the ECO-Aqualizer is in fact a scam. Evidence I asked for clear back on page one.

Haven't we been over this?
There has been ample scientific evidence posted to this thread by me and others addressing the 'scamyness' of the product.
For some reason you are unconvincable.

You post asking jager to 'forgive' me is clearly a pot shot. There was no reason for it. It presented no new info, asked no questions, and did nothing to further the discussion

I think that is was necessary to clarify your position on this product to a new comer. I thought that it would help him/her to better understand why you would ask the question you asked. I apologize again that you were offended by my statement.

I believe jager was and is perfectly able to read this thread. I think the explanation I posted when I asked the question was pretty clear as to why I was asking.
Thank you for the apology though.

To suggest that you have only posted pertinent questions or info to this discussion is laughable.

I never suggested any such thing. The thread had gotten past such BS, yet you choose to bring it all back up.

I guess you need to be reminded that you thought it was funny that I was called a troll. What does that add to the debate?

A sense of levity.

I believe they are selling the product. I believe they make claims that it works. I believe that some think it has benifited their tank. I belive it has watch battery sized magnets in it. I believe it is made out of plastic. I believe water runs through it. Etc. Nit picky, sure, but accurate none the less.

I'm sorry but this is just sad. The debate is about rather or not the ECO works or is in fact a scam, not rather it exists. I think that you haven't been reading the thread.

Ow, that stings! Turning my own words against me! I am lessened and shamed! :roll:
Note the confession that what I wrote was nit picky. Who's not reading?

 

[Jime]

haven't we been over this?

Haven't we been over this?

Haven't we been over this?

The questions have been asked before but never answered by you. There seems to be a pattern with the answers you give. All I'm asking is for you to back the claims that you are making. Humor me and post it again. Remember we are discussing rather the eco-aqualizer works, just in case you forget between now and the time you post your reply.

Ow, that stings! Turning my own words against me! I am lessened and shamed!
Note the confession that what I wrote was nit picky. Who's not reading?

Why was my statement untrue again?? Maybe I just don't get the witty answer.

 

[Jime]

esmithiii,
The actual definition of scam is A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. To defraud; swindle, and I disagree with you, I don't think that the eco's claims are that outrageous. I think that there is real science behind the effects of magnetism on water.
I'm hoping that by giving the difinition you gave that you are not suggesting that I'm "ignorant or slow-witted" or that the buyers of Eco-Aqualizer products are ignorant or slow-witted. Talk about an insult to those that are really victims of scams. I think Righty mentioned being a victim of a scam.
I think that this debate can be put to rest if someone would just prove that the Eco-Aqualizer doesn't work. If the claims are that outrageous it should be very easy. At least easier then trying to get Righty to answer a question... :lol: Just a joke Righty.

 

[Bone]

I'd say it probably works, but only if you believe it works.

I didn't want to bring religion into this but I can't help but see a similarity.

{Runs for cover!}

 

[Bone]

Jime- some claims are simply so outrageous than most people with any basic level of understanding in the fields of science willl recognize them as being false, and catering to the ignorant or slow-witted. That, by the way is the definition of a scam.

Not to be rude, but that is my perspective.

Ernie

I didn't wanna have to say this. Thanks.

 

[Bone]

Ignorant or slow whitted is going overboard a bit. Maybe un-savvy in the field of science would be more appropraite.

 

[Jime]

With all do respect, when suggesting that someone might be slow "whitted" or "un-savvy" it would be easier to take you seriously if you spelled your insults correctly.

Now why am I un savvy in the field of science?

 

[Bone]

I can't claim to have any clue as to your level of scientific understanding. Are you a scientist? Can you maybe shed some light on how the ECO works? I do not intend to insult you, my friend. Sorry.

Peace 8)

 

[Anonymous]

:lol: HEY! What ever happened to Lifer??? :lol:

 

[Micah00]

My last posted to this novel was about page 2. But for me the bottom line is this you need: water, salt, proper lighting , buffer, food source, and proper water movement. And as long as you practice good husbandry techniques such as, not overstocking, managing nutrient import , good lighting, quarantine, and good circulation, you wouldn't even need this product. I have never looked @ my tank and said " Man I wish this water was clearer". And as far as the overstocking and nutrients, a good protien skimmer is an excellent saftey net ( I don't think you can find anyone that's been in the hobby to argue that).

Spend the money on a coral, a fish you've been wanting, take someone out to dinner, give to a charity, adopt a sea turtle, buy some lottery tickets, go to a sporting event, ..and on.....and on.....

When it comes to reef keeping there are no miracle cures just simple explanations. Just step back and say "What am I doing wrong or different? Am I feeding too much? How old are my lights? Is there good flow in that corner where cyano is building up?........." .