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At my LFS I can get up to 100% of what he will sell it for depending on what it is. I get 25 for a nice green BTA. For fraggs I get 50-75% of what he sell them for. If I go for a trade it is ususally an even swap. Always store dredit, although I have never asked for cash or consignment.
 
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I used to have a fish store near me that I had a GREAT relationship with. I would bring in xenia and theowner would just have me pick out what I wanted to exchange it for.

The xenia usually was sold from his store in a few days so I know it was moving quick. I brought some in about every two weeks to a month. It got to the point where I would walk in, float the bags in a tank, and tell him what I wanted and he would bag it up for me. I think we both thought we were getting the better end of the deal.

For example one time I brought in a rock with about 10 xenia on it, as well as about 6 single stalks attached to rubble. I picked out a nice flame angel and a lawnmower blenny in trade. I was giggleing the whole way home about how great is was that this coral I had previously been flushing was turning into new fish for my tank! Later a buddy of mine told me the store owner sold the rock with the 10 xenia on it for $100. He sold the single stalks for about 35$ a piece.

I brought in xenia about once a month sometimes twice, I just harvested whatever I needed to remove and brought it in. It got so if I didn't bring any in for a while, the store owner would start asking me to bring him some. I couldn't believe there were that many people in Virginia that wanted xenia, but he said he had a lot of clients he kept tanks for, and everyone loves the way it pulses.

My whole tank was totally overrun with xenia, we called it the 55g cash cow. I did this for over a year, until I had to move out of state. A typical trade for a couple handfulls of xenia yeild a derasa clam, or a large toadstool leather, open brain coral, maybe a nice piece of live rock, I got a nice frogspawn coral once. Occasionally I felt like I really got more than I should have in the trade and next time I came in I would just grab a couple flats of fish food. Sigh, I wish I still lived near that store, not just for the trades but it was such a good store.
 
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You know what's funny it I can't grow it any more.

When I had my xenia cash cow going, I had a 55g,no sump, live rock, seaclone skimmer(he he), lots of caulerpa, and one or two LPS corals. It was literally wall to wall xenia, even with taking it to the fish store once or twice a month. I can remember being worried I was going to plug up the toilet flushing it, so I would flush it in batches. My husband and I have discussed this and he wonders if there is not something that other corals give off that inhibits it's growth. I can remember giving a big wad of xenia to a guy that had a beautiful 300g reef, full of nice sps and other corals, and the xenia would just wither. I gave him frags on a couple occasions, and it just wouldn't live.
 

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You may be right. The Xenia in my tanks do better
when they are the primary coral, they multiply quickly. But when I put frags in another tank where
I have multiply corals it does not spread as fast.
 

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Hmmm... :idea:

Corals are supposed to produce a slime that is rather toxic, just normally and especially when stressed. That is why it is vital to have good circulation in a reef since it washes away this slime. I wonder if this inhibits the xenia in such a way that you describe. :?:
 
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fishfanatic2":5lfyl070 said:
Hmmm... :idea:

Corals are supposed to produce a slime that is rather toxic, just normally and especially when stressed. That is why it is vital to have good circulation in a reef since it washes away this slime. I wonder if this inhibits the xenia in such a way that you describe. :?:

Many octocorallians release toxic secondary metabolites (different terpenes, usually). Flow is not a solution. There have been experiments showing that even on a wild reef, settlement and health is extremely inhibited in corals downstream of prominent colonies or groups of colonies of terpenoid producing octocoral species.
 
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I have a mixed reef with xenia, and it grows like a weed. I have lots of flow, a big skimmer, lots of macros and I run a small amount of carbon and polyfilter 24/7.
In my old tank I couldn't grow xenia. When I added MH, I could. Hmmmm.

:mrgreen:
 

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What Galleon said. :mrgreen:

But, every coral is different, and so is everyone's tanks, water, filtration, lighting, and stuff like that.
 

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dizzy":2aj479px said:
John,
You're starting to sound like you have left the MAC camp and joined forces with Wayne Ryan. :?
There may be perceived value issues involved here. Diehard reefers aside, the general public may not be able to look at that little 2" frag, and equate it to being worth $30-40. Americans tend to want instant gratification. There is really no evidence that shutting down the harvest of live marine animals for the aquarium trade will prolong the life of the reefs. While it might be good for aquaculture companies, it might cause a serious decline in the growth of the marine hobby. The whole industry might collapse. Only a fool would fail to realize that a ban on wild marinelife would have a very negative on the fishers who collect for a living. It seems to me that when we reach the point where the ocean can no longer sustain a reasonable harvest of marine animals, then we will probably have much more important things to concern ourselves with, than where will we get our frags.

I think aquaculture is a wonderful thing. We are certainly trying to do our part here at our store. You wouldn't believe the amount of time we devote to it above and beyond our normal overwork load. In spite of this I must admit to having mixed emotions. Although I support those who are trying to make a living at aquaculture, I hope their success doesn't come at the expense of the fisherfolk. I completely agree with the MAC that it would be best if large scale aquaculture took place in the countries of origin.

No Mitch, I'm not abandoning MAC's mission and ideals, nor am I joining Wayne Ryan's (naesco) mission and ideals of his "Reeform". Wayne wants and is promoting highly restrictive (ban) legislation and I don't want anything to do with that.

I am very much supportive of aquaculture and "fragging" but my comments are speculative and pragmatic. Retailers cannot afford to convert to purely captive-cultured livestock right now. Especially, in a competitive world that would also include retailers who sell wild-caught livestock. I'm saying that a transition would be difficult right now because of lack of variety, lack of consistent "on demand" supply, and profitability issues. Hence my suggestion that the only thing right now that would make retailers switch to an all-captive-reared inventory would be if they had no choice....legislation.

Retailers are in business to make a profit and should be expected to do so at every opportunity. Often decisions are made based on profitability. The question of stocking item A or B is sometimes made on the comparative profitability of A & B. Retailers couldn't really depend exclusively on the unpredicable supply of hobbyists bringing them frags. They need variety and availability on demand with good profitability to boot.

The idea of paying a hobbyist 50% of the retail value of a coral for a frag is not going to sit well with many retailers if that is the trend of the future. Retailers can routinely charge 3-5 times wholesale price for many of the reef animals they sell that are wild-caught.
 

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The idea of paying a hobbyist 50% of the retail value of a coral for a frag is not going to sit well with many retailers if that is the trend of the future. Retailers can routinely charge 3-5 times wholesale price for many of the reef animals they sell that are wild-caught

Store gives hobbiest 100 "store bucks" for frags selling for 200$
Cost of 100 "store bucks" to retailer (depending on use of credit) 40-60?
40 would be a 5X profit. 60 would be 3.3X profit.
 

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Laura,

I don't personally have xenia but do have other frags that I could sell. Do you mind telling me which store in VA you frequented?


Thanks,

Eddi
 
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Fish World
11634 Busy Street, Suite A
Richmond, VA 23236
804-379-2466


Owners name is Joe.
 

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