Eric Borneman coral controversy

[andybeats]

what ever happened with erics salt study anyway? wasnt that being held at reef savers? around the same time he got kicked out?

 

[StevenPro]

I can say that I have read the certifed letter that Eric Borneman sent to Billy Causey. That it does not paint certain individuals involved in this situation in a positive light. Beyond what actions the authorities took, I don't know, except to say Eric Borneman has not to this date been charged or prosecuted for anything and continues to work with NOAA.

why would you specifically write that "to this date, he hasnt been charged" you seem to know every single angle, you know the whole truth, exactly what happened. yet you seem to have a tiny bit of doubt that he may be charged?

No, based on what I know, I doubt anyone will ever be charged with anything. There is nothing to this. It is a bit messy and things certainly could have been done better, but no blatant wrong doing on anyone's part.

 

[StevenPro]

what ever happened with erics salt study anyway? wasnt that being held at reef savers? around the same time he got kicked out?

Eric was locked out of Reef Savers around February 2005. Eric and Kim's salt study occured elsewhere about a year later.

 

[StevenPro]

you say you have seen these documents that clear eric, but you dont wanna talk about them, some friend... i would want my friends to shift the blame over to who ever is REALLY responsible, if some one did wrong and those letters say so, let them be charged.

Eric sent me a copy of the certified letter along with some other communications which have not been posted on Sara's website. I did not ask for them. He just sent them. But, he asked that I not post them because they are damaging to other people that have not been mentioned by name yet and I respect his wishes.

Eric, I, and a few other of his friends discussed whether or not he should speak up and we all said no. The nuts that like gossip and/or dislike Eric are going to believe whatever they want to and nothing he says will change their minds. For instance,

someone took a butt load of corals from florida, killed a bunch of them, and screwed up any chance of having them relocated.

You continue to repeat allegations which are not supported by the documents available to you. But, that doesn't stop anyone from making these assertions. For the record, there is absolutely no proof that those corals were contaminated. Craig Watson assumed they could have been, but that assumption doesn't make it true. None the less, people that dislike Eric have forcefully and repeatedly asserted that he intentionally contaminated those corals so he could keep them for himself. The documents don't support this, but they don't care. If you repeat a lie often and loudly enough, people will believe it.

 

[andybeats]

No, based on what I know, I doubt anyone will ever be charged with anything. There is nothing to this. It is a bit messy and things certainly could have been done better, but no blatant wrong doing on anyone's part.

you dont think the loss of a crap load of protected corals is a big thing? thats not wrong doing? not to mention the fact that our taxes had already paid for the relocation of said corals?

would you thought it was a big deal for the navy to just dredge the whole canal and kill the corals that way? im sure alot of tree huggers would have made a big fuss about that, but this just seems to slip away into nothing, personally, i think its a big deal, i sure wish i knew any jackass can go get a permit, for some highly protected stuff, take from a lab instead of the canal, then kill half of it, and not get charged with anything, i would have shot down there in a moment and loaded a uhaul myself.

 

[sihaya]

No, based on what I know, I doubt anyone will ever be charged with anything.

Just because no one has been charged in a criminal court, that doesn't exonerate anyone from any wrong doing.

When the salt study was being described as worthless bad science on various forums, I don't remember anyone calling for criminal charges.

Of course, I think this issue is far more serious than any salt study. But I don't need to see criminal charges to be convinced of that.

 

[StevenPro]

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[Anonymous]

Eric was locked out of Reef Savers around February 2005. Eric and Kim's salt study occured elsewhere about a year later.

Steven, where are you getting your information?

In Billy Causey's (Superintendent of the Marine Sanctuary) letter to Eric, Billy quotes Eric as saying that Reef Savers stopped caring for that system sometime in December/January. Not two months later in February 2005.

Eric said they stopped taking care of those corals sometime in Dec/Jan. Eric was kicked out of ReefSavers before that. Much before February.

sihaya, the people that have the information you are looking for can not initiate this.

They can cooperate. The law says they have to cooperate, so they can do that without getting into trouble.

 

[sihaya]

Steven and Chuck apparently have the notorious "missing documents" but don't want to post them. So they're saving us all the terrible burden of having to read them ourselves and are recounting for us what they think is the important information contained in them.

 

[StevenPro]

In Billy Causey's (Superintendent of the Marine Sanctuary) letter to Eric, Billy quotes Eric as saying that Reef Savers stopped caring for that system sometime in December/January. Not two months later in February 2005.

For someone who claims to know insider information, you certainly do get a lot wrong. Reef savers did quit caring for things apparently around Dec./Jan. That is when Eric and Brandee took over for sometime until they were locked out.

 

[Anonymous]

If you will do what you were told to do, you will have them all.

 

[StevenPro]

Steven and Chuck apparently have the notorious "missing documents" but don't want to post them. So they're saving us all the terrible burden of having to read them ourselves and are recounting for us what they think is the important information contained in them.

Maybe you should have done your homework and waited to spew forth your venom until after you had all the documents in your possession. Then you would not be in the dark now.

 

[sihaya]

Steven - it's not so much an issue of waiting as knowing WHO to contact. And let me tell you, if nothing else, this whole thing has gained me a LOT more contacts in the past week then I ever had before.

And I'm not in the dark Steven... I know all about what's in that letter. ***But I'm not going to talk about it unless everyone can see it.***

Cracker2 - Ok, ok... I'll get on it first thing tomorrow morning. And I think I'll call the FOIA office too. They may be starting to miss me anyway... lol

 

[Anonymous]

I'm just quoting the email that Billy Causey sent Eric on Sat, 05 Mar 2005

As for your concern about the health of the corals, etc... and the time delays etc, .... let me(Billy) explain that we(NOAA) would still not know about these problems if Craig Watson had not contacted me (Billy). It took about 5 days for us to speak in person .... but from your (Eric) note, it appears you have had some difficulty since the beginning of the year. If you had some fatalities during the last month and a half ..... perhaps you could have contacted us.

To quote you (Eric): "There have been mortalities within the past month and a half, though my wife and I were in the process of determining what all had happened since Reef Savers apparently stopped caring for that system sometime in December/January."

Billy Causey goes on to say: Considering I heard about his just over a week ago from Craig Watson .... I (Billy) find these circumstances very disturbing.

 

[dragonladylea]

I posted this question on another site this debate was on and didnt get an answer before the thread was closed. I truly want to know the answer to this question.

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I'm still confused by the question because I don't know what you think the "proper authority" is exactly... but I don't see why it matters. If you're just trying, as you said, to again poke at my motives from another angle. Forget it. I'm sorry, but I'm just not going there again.


The question was have you contacted the NOAA with your concerns and the documents you have??? The reason it matters is that you are accusing someone of inpropriety and shouting it from the rooftops so to speak so the question is I believe a valid one!

 

[sihaya]

::sigh:: Look, I'm a 25 year old law school student in Cleveland, OH... my power and influence over NOAA is, shall we say, limited. The way I contacted NOAA was by submitting the FOIA requests. At the time I did so, I had no information on which to contact anyone about. Even now, I'm still in the process of trying to get more information. What more do you propose I should do?

 

[dragonladylea]

sigh:: Look, I'm a 25 year old law school student in Cleveland, OH... my power and influence over NOAA is, shall we say, limited. The way I contacted NOAA was by submitting the FOIA requests. At the time I did so, I had no information on which to contact anyone about. Even now, I'm still in the process of trying to get more information. What more do you propose I should do?

Simply email the NOAA with your concerns and attach the documentation you have. As I stated before there are emails and phone numbers on the website. To me that would validate the cause you think you have better than a public accusation. Not sure why you think you have to have influence over the NOAA to voice concerns

 

[sihaya]

I am going to do that. But first, I wanted to see if posting what information I had would help me find more information. And it has. Though it's not the kind of verified documentation that I can post, it's still helpful with regards to my knowing what to say when I contact NOAA.

 

[trido]

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::sigh:: Look, I'm a 25 year old student

I would have thought so. I wonder how old most of you who have so much ferver in this thread are.

I personally dont care to read Every document posted and dont really care if Eric did something wrong. If what he did was so wrong a federal investigation would likely be underway and charges would be pressed. Maybe a bunch of people were neglectful andthey all made little mistakes that added up to something big. As you get older youmight come to realize that stuff like this happens all the time. Maybe when you join the work force on a grand scale and screw up a few times youselves you will realize that sometimes life takes hold and you cant control what is happening around you. **** happens. Maybe if you spent your time and energy fighting for something that really matter, Say, the price of Gasoline. Then the difference you make might actually count for something.


Personally, Im tired of seeing this thread on the top of the forums. A couple of you have joined RDO only to debate this topic. To me, that is annoying as hell. Go back to where you came from. JMO.

 

[sihaya]

I personally dont care to read Every document posted and dont really care if Eric did something wrong.

noted