Eric Borneman coral controversy

[StevenPro]

I like irony. I find it assuming that they won't let Eric sell them, but discuss charging a service fee for them later.

 

[Liquid4ce]

LOL... so how many boards are you currently banned from Sara?

Ignoring the question? :lol: I know of at least 3 big ones but it's got to be more than that. Come on... how many?

 

[Anonymous]

I find it interesting that the sanctuary is screaming at Eric to send the corals back but that it is precisely their screaming and demands which preclude him for doing that.

No one else does, and it just looks like smoke coming from you at this point.

The Sanctuary used it's only resource at that time. The only thing the Sanctuary could do, as a last resort, was to cancel his permit and demand the corals be returned.

Eric had left for Puerto Rico in the middle of this. He did not make any effort to rectify the situation and took a trip to Puerto Rico.
He was telling the Sanctuary about his next trip to Easter Island at that same time.

They had to do something, because Eric had not shown good faith or good intentions of doing anything about it.

Email from Billy to Eric
"I am not in the Keys and will not return to my office until Monday, March 14, 2005. Therefore I will not recieve your certified letter until then. That leaves only 1 week before you leave for Easter Island and this issue must be resolved now."

Do not come back with something as lame as it's the Sanctuary's fault.

Eric is the one that did not do anything about this until he was pressured into doing it.

 

[sihaya]

I like irony. I find it assuming that they won't let Eric sell them, but discuss charging a service fee for them later.

The way I read the documents, the fee was to cover the enormous cost of recovering them. Which, if all you say about FKNMS having to actually go to Houston and battle this in court is true, that would make sense.

 

[Anonymous]

I like irony. I find it assuming that they won't let Eric sell them, but discuss charging a service fee for them later.

No one reading this is believing that Steven.

It was never about the legal sale of those corals to other certified research facilities.

It's about Eric not living up to the terms and conditions of his contact/permit with the US government.

 

[StevenPro]

Which, if all you say about FKNMS having to actually go to Houston and battle this in court is true, that would make sense.

I don't know if FKNMS had to actually go to Houston or if Reef Savers simply chose to return them. I just know that Eric could not legally force the issue.

 

[sihaya]

Right... because Reef Savers had a court order to keep him out. What's your point? That Eric fought in court to keep them or get them back? Why does that matter? ...when Billy Causey demanded the corals be returned, they had to be returned, period. And he said in one of the emails that any legal or financial conflict between Borneman and Koch was none of his concern... he just needed the corals returned one way or another.

 

[HandBanana]

 

[andybeats]

Which, if all you say about FKNMS having to actually go to Houston and battle this in court is true, that would make sense.

I don't know if FKNMS had to actually go to Houston or if Reef Savers simply chose to return them. I just know that Eric could not legally force the issue.

none of this would even be a point if eric actually had a facility like he claimed, he should have had a building to set this whole thing up, that he couldnt get locked out of, like his permit application said.

 

[StevenPro]

none of this would even be a point if eric actually had a facility like he claimed, he should have had a building to set this whole thing up, that he couldnt get locked out of, like his permit application said.

He never claimed he owned Reef Savers. The way the document has been edited might give you that false impression.

 

[sihaya]

Now you're being inarticulate... there's no way we can know that that document was edited... or, if it was, by whom or when.

 

[Anonymous]

right

It was the chief site for the CDHC culture efforts.

Where it says the corals will be put into permanent culture for the long term/years study to establish clonal lines of coral for disease and bleaching research.

Where he could get kicked out at any time.



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[pk1]

Where he could get kicked out at any time

Why should that matter?

 

[Anonymous]

Because what could happen if he got kicked out, did happen. Because he did get kicked out.

Corals that are a natural resource, honored to his custody under a federal permit, were left to die and they did.
Corals that were specifically designated for a specific purpose were not taken care of, what they were designated for did not happen.
Because he got kicked out.

That and the entire the reefs are dying, save the reef deal.


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[Anonymous]

right

It was the chief site for the CDHC culture efforts.

Where it says the corals will be put into permanent culture for the long term/years study to establish clonal lines of coral for disease and bleaching research.

Where he could get kicked out at any time.



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I'm sure he was expecting to get kicked out.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm sure he was not expecting to get kicked out. I sure he had other plans entirely.

Let's give someone a whole batch of federally protected natural resource corals, and hope.

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[Anonymous]

Because what could happen if he got kicked out, did happen. Because he did get kicked out.

Corals that are a natural resource, honored to his custody under a federal permit, were left to die and they did.
Corals that were specifically designated for a specific purpose were not taken care of, what they were designated for did not happen.
Because he got kicked out.

That and the entire the reefs are dying, save the reef deal.


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He could have kept them in his own home under, and been kicked out of there in a bitter divorce. How can you ever know for sure that you'll not be kicked out of anywhere?

 

[sihaya]

There's no way he could have kept so many corals at his home... or even at UH. You have to imagine *truck full*s of corals.

 

[Anonymous]

He could have kept them in his own home under, and been kicked out of there in a bitter divorce. How can you ever know for sure that you'll not be kicked out of anywhere?

He could have kept them at MarineLand! that's a great idea, wonder why he didn't think of that.

Could be because he would never get a permit to keep them at MarineLand either. It was not spelled out that way on his permit.

 

[pk1]

So your saying that the permit holder should only house the corals in a facility he/she owns? Or that the person issuing the permit should know that the relationship between the permit holder and the facility where whatever tests/experiments are being held will never go bad? That seems a little far fetched to me.