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Hey everyone im also battling ick big time. its killed my hippo, my anthias, and its now on another anthias the problem is i cant catch the fish to put them in a qt tank what are other options in this matter ? if i cant take all my fish out do to the fact that i cant get to them i have a 220 tank with about 500 pounds of rock so im sure you know were im comming from. thanks

I also don't want to take all the fish out a)b/c they are really hard to catch and b) cause I don't wanna disturb them but the more I read and listen the more I see it as the only way to get rid of this crap. Like marrone said if it has a host (a fish) it will continue to live. No host No Ich.

This sucks. sucks!
 

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Kathy,
I always hear about FW dips for new purchases and even heard Bob Fenner speak about it yesterday at the CMAC conference.
What I want to know is osmoregulation.
I know that most fish can take a drastic leap downward in regards to salinity but what about when you take that fish out of the 5 minute FW dip and throw him into either your display at 1.025 or even a QT at 1.020?
I mean even the experts recommend that when going from hyposalinity treatment, you should only increase .002 per 12 to 24 hours?

That would be my issue with it as well Warren, it seems to be a poor idea all around.

The site that I use most for reference suggests 2 days to lower the salinity to the 1.009 level and 5-7 days to bring it back up to 'normal'.
People don't tend to do this as it's always an emergency to start treating the fish.

Osmoregulation is a little tough to explain without stealing a quote from somewhere..lol Basically fish don't have much salt in their bodily fluids, so when they drink the water in your tank (yes, fish drink water & urinate), they need to get the excess salt out of their system. They do this through their gills.
Remember too that ich attacks the gills, so they are already under a lot of stress. With one less thing for the gills to have to deal with, hypo is a good choice for Ich -- if the fish isn't already totally covered in it.
It is said that being in lower SG water is easier on them..less stressful, so they can deal with a hyposalinity treatment just fine, as long as it is done slowly, but especially when raising it back up again.

Different kinds of fish have different levels of osmotic concentrations, which is why they say you can't do hyposalinity treatment on some fish (definitely not inverts!) like sharks.

What I don't know is whether a fast dip (which I do not suggest) is enough time for the fishes body to start having to process the change in SG. If anyone has any data on that I would love to see it :)

Unfortunately too many folks don't take the time to adjust all of the factors that should be addressed when performing a dip, like matching PH and temp. The PH being the most dangerious factor and likely to kill a fish all on it's own - and quickly - if it is not matched.
 
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Hey everyone im also battling ick big time. its killed my hippo, my anthias, and its now on another anthias the problem is i cant catch the fish to put them in a qt tank what are other options in this matter ? if i cant take all my fish out do to the fact that i cant get to them i have a 220 tank with about 500 pounds of rock so im sure you know were im comming from. thanks

Nyfynest -a 220 with 500 pounds of rock is a huge challenge to remove fish from, so yes, we understand your challenge.
For folks who simply cannot get the fish out two things can happen...all of the fish can die. In that case, aside from watching your ammonia levels and addressing them if you can't find the bodies - you would need to leave the tank fallow for 6-8 weeks after the last fish has passed to be assured that the Ich parasite has died off.
You may find that some fish seem to recover and you won't see Ich on them again (or even ever) as some (this is not common!) can develop an immunity to Ich. Those that do may or may not get it again - that is the big crap-shoot in doing this. A fish could be free and clear of Ich for 6 months and then get it again from another new fish or a coral that came from a tank that had Ich in it.
The experts don't understand why some fish seem immune after getting Ich, but most agree - from what I have read - that is a not necessarily a life-long immunity. I can't stress that strongly enough.

Tough choice for you to make :(
 
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I really dont want to move the pregnant clown but at the same time I risk the chance of her getting ick. What a DISASTER!

2 ways to look at it -if you don't take her out & treat her (and him) you may lose them both.
If you do treat them, they have already mated once and will more than likely do so again.
If they are dead, it won't matter :(
 

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2 ways to look at it -if you don't take her out & treat her (and him) you may lose them both.
If you do treat them, they have already mated once and will more than likely do so again.
If they are dead, it won't matter :(

Yes I hear you there. Just messed up! Anyway, if a fish in infected and I put it in a Hospital tank with the other fish wont they contract it as well?
 

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Yes I hear you there. Just messed up! Anyway, if a fish in infected and I put it in a Hospital tank with the other fish wont they contract it as well?

Good chance they already have it, you just can't see it. ;(
If in a QT during hyposalinity, that should kill the free swimming Ich before it attaches to the other fish.
 

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This must be the worst. I'm so against doesing my tank with those reef safe ick crap damn this would suck if I had to rip apart my tank to get these fishes I'm just at a lost now. These kind of issues is where I say I'll never put a fish back in after they die or get them out.


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Setting up the QT now. Have a 10 gallon to start. I bought a 29 gallon but i have to make water tonight in order to fill it. This whole thing sucks. I just hope I'm doing the right thing...
 

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Guys I hate to say this but I started the 10 gallon QT and tried to get the Kole but he hid and stayed hidden...even with food in the tank. I caught one Black and White clown and put him in the QT but this just wasn't gonna work. I put the B&W back in the MT and abandoned the project. I feel that I was messing up the rest of the tank by trying to get these guys...corals falling etc...

Gonna ride things out here and hope things change. Sorry...Guess this is a hard lesson learned...
I'm going to keep the QT tank running as a test to see if I can keep the QT in line.

Sucks...I feel bad if the fish get sick.
 

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Guys I hate to say this but I started the 10 gallon QT and tried to get the Kole but he hid and stayed hidden...even with food in the tank. I caught one Black and White clown and put him in the QT but this just wasn't gonna work. I put the B&W back in the MT and abandoned the project. I feel that I was messing up the rest of the tank by trying to get these guys...corals falling etc...

Gonna ride things out here and hope things change. Sorry...Guess this is a hard lesson learned...
I'm going to keep the QT tank running as a test to see if I can keep the QT in line.

Sucks...I feel bad if the fish get sick.

Either way it is a very difficult decision to make. Who knows, you may have made the right choice..and you can always change your mind again too.
We're here if you need us, we do hope you'll keep us up to date on what is going on and I guarantee you, we are ALL behind you and wishing for the best :)
 

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Either way it is a very difficult decision to make. Who knows, you may have made the right choice..and you can always change your mind again too.
We're here if you need us, we do hope you'll keep us up to date on what is going on and I guarantee you, we are ALL behind you and wishing for the best :)

Thanks Kathy! I really hope I did. The qt is set up now so if things turn sour it'll be more established and ready for fish. Everyone who contributed to the thread and in General on the forum rocks.

Seriously thanks for the help.
 
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I don't know if fighting ick is the same for saltwater as it is for freshwater but...... I used super ick followed the direction and it was gone in a week and a half..you just have to make shure you get it when it's of the fish and it's in the substrate...


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Ok Guys, I was an opportunity to get the Kole tang out and I did. He looked a little worse yesterday and started to scratch so I got him. He's in a 10gal HT now. Salinity was 1.023 in DT and this a.m the HT is now 1.018. Had a slight ammonia reading so changed 2 gal this am. pH seems to be about 8.2 right now. Will keep you posted. He doesn't seem happy but he's better off unhappy for a bit then DEAD!
 

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My wifes update from home was 50/50. He was kind of in the corner hiding. Put a few pellets in there but no real interest. He didn't like it much before either. When the salinity continues to drop do you expect the fish to look and behave normally or do they slow down...?
 

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You are prob going to need waterchanges daily in that tank. Do you have any type of biofilter?


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