Industry Meeting at MACNA?

[Nancy Swart]

Wayne,

If you're really serious about your project, you will show up at MACNA. Having a professionally produced film and printed materials is not as important as taking advantage of the opportunity to meet so many key players in person.

Do you really think the people you plan on inviting to your "fall meeting" are going to pay to travel to that meeting when the same goal could have been accomplished at MACNA?

Nancy

 

[naesco]

Wayne,

If you're really serious about your project, you will show up at MACNA. Having a professionally produced film and printed materials is not as important as taking advantage of the opportunity to meet so many key players in person.

Do you really think the people you plan on inviting to your "fall meeting" are going to pay to travel to that meeting when the same goal could have been accomplished at MACNA?

Nancy

Nancy thank you for the invite and your advice.
Personally I would like to go there. I have attended 3 meetings in the past and enjoyed myself.
From REEForm's perspective I will have to think about that.
Nancy, I was informed by an industry member, that the importers of cyanide fish from the Philippines and Indonesia ,carry on business in California and would not be willing to attend a meeting in Vancouver so I doubt they would make the effort to attend MACNA.
I don't understand that as their business, their investment and their livelihood is at stake but that is what I was told.

 

[Nancy Swart]

Well Wayne...perhaps it's time to ask here publicly which importers WILL be in attendance.

Nancy

 

[clarionreef]

Wayne,
You're even scaring me now.
You were 'informed' by an 'industry member' that there are importers of cyanide fish from Indo and the Philippines in California?
You mean like in furtive, secret,sporadic behavior like in clandistine shipments of cocaine?
You have been informed on a daily basis by 'members' as to the endemic nature of cyanide fish in all routine shipments of fish from these two countries by all importers. The only way to avoid it is for the exporter to select from only divers already converted and bringing in their more limited varieties directly to them. This means avioding many other divers and staying true to the few...hence...it hardly happens except with a few exporters and a few importers.
You have heard of the bibical quote..."you will know them by their fruits"? Well, in this case you will know them by their LACK of Fruit!
Saying you deal in netcaught fish is generally like saying that your cocaine is corruption and murder free. Yeah right!
Its the system that provides it...but this old, explanation has not been updated in a month so here it is again.
Good people all over the world bring in bad fish tyhat causes bad news underwater. Like the shrimp industry. Are shrimp eaters bad people? Are they bad people if they know about the harmful effects of heavy shrimp trawls? Are the shrimpers, the dealers and the merchants to blame? Its an entire industry system that does this and has not been solved by an equally to blame industry of ineffective organizations!
Geez. Wouldn't it be easy if it were just a few unscupulous dealers like in parrot smugglers or the odd Hawaiian wild coral dealer?
Not nearly that easy.
The MAC approach is "systemic" in concept. Its just that they believe in top-down-trickle down reform. They just don't see the relevance in field work, training divers and getting wet. If they did...we'd all support them!
Sincerely, Steve

 

[naesco]

Wayne,
You're even scaring me now.
You were 'informed' by an 'industry member' that there are importers of cyanide fish from Indo and the Philippines in California?
You mean like in furtive, secret,sporadic behavior like in clandistine shipments of cocaine?
You have been informed on a daily basis by 'members' as to the endemic nature of cyanide fish in all routine shipments of fish from these two countries by all importers. The only way to avoid it is for the exporter to select from only divers already converted and bringing in their more limited varieties directly to them. This means avioding many other divers and staying true to the few...hence...it hardly happens except with a few exporters and a few importers.
You have heard of the bibical quote..."you will know them by their fruits"? Well, in this case you will know them by their LACK of Fruit!
Saying you deal in netcaught fish is generally like saying that your cocaine is corruption and murder free. Yeah right!
Its the system that provides it...but this old, explanation has not been updated in a month so here it is again.
Good people all over the world bring in bad fish tyhat causes bad news underwater. Like the shrimp industry. Are shrimp eaters bad people? Are they bad people if they know about the harmful effects of heavy shrimp trawls? Are the shrimpers, the dealers and the merchants to blame? Its an entire industry system that does this and has not been solved by an equally to blame industry of ineffective organizations!
Geez. Wouldn't it be easy if it were just a few unscupulous dealers like in parrot smugglers or the odd Hawaiian wild coral dealer?
Not nearly that easy.
The MAC approach is "systemic" in concept. Its just that they believe in top-down-trickle down reform. They just don't see the relevance in field work, training divers and getting wet. If they did...we'd all support them!
Sincerely, Steve

You to day someone in industry lied to me? :? Don't they have any morals?
You missed your calling.
You should have been a writer. Or a judge.

 

[clarionreef]

Wayne,
The point was the endemism of cyanide infection thruout the industry body...your post suggested an outsiders naivite ie. CCIF, MAC etc.
There can be no more excuses for innocence in reform initiatives with all the public information finally available.
The industry is divided on ethical grounds vs. the practical. MAC alienated every reform minded figure in sight to cover for the status quo. You must not do the same.
You can be much stronger with allies. You can earn them or buy them. The lone wolf approach is puzzling.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

The lone wolf approach is puzzling

More like, "theres a new sheriff in town"

 

[MaryHM]

Some facts about Wayne:

1. He has alienated everyone in here who is for true reform. If he doesn't have the support of the reformists, who does support him?
2. He has been repeatedly told by different people what he could do to actually help the situation.
3. He has refused to do any of the "behind the scenes" type things.
4. He repeatedly chants the same Reefform mantra. He and he alone. This "overwhelming support" base he mentioned he has has yet to speak up for him. He talks a talk and makes demands but refuses to answer anything in return.
5. He sent me a pm a few months ago mentioning something about the Order of Canada. This, my friends, is why he is bound and determined to have his own radical organization. He's not going to get this award from the government if he does behind the scenes work helping us. Oh no. He has to go big. Very big. This is his agenda, and it makes me sick. For someone to jump on the reform bandwagon only to try to procure some stupid award and name recognition is beyond pathetic and sad. Frankly, it's vulgar and insulting. To deny and attempt to purposefully destroy the true reform movement for his own personal gain is disgusting. I can't even express how repulsed I am by him, his motives, and his actions. And I'm sorry to say that I ever considered him to be a supporter of the reform movement. Oh well, live and learn.

 

[Anonymous]

well said, Mary-extremely well said

 

[John_Brandt]

Individuals or groups who are interested in meeting and/or having discussions about reform or any industry-related topic are welcome to use MAC's Hospitality Suite (a medium conference room) at MACNA this year.

I understand that AMDA has a meeting room as well. Any AMDA member should feel free to use MAC's room as well.

 

[Anonymous]

Wait, MAC's got a room, MASNA got one and so does AMDA? Sures a lot of rooms. Looks like we'll need a map to these rooms, are they in the same area at least? Anyone seen a schedule yet?

 

[mkirda]

Wait, MAC's got a room, MASNA got one and so does AMDA? Sures a lot of rooms. Looks like we'll need a map to these rooms, are they in the same area at least? Anyone seen a schedule yet?

From what John had either told me or posted before, MAC is using MASNA's room after MASNA clears out on Friday morning... So they have the same room. I think Nancy posted that the AMDA room and MASNA/MAC rooms are across the hallway from each other. And above the main room was it?

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[clarionreef]

I wish,
And this was in my original post on ther idea of an industry forum room...I wish we only had one room and that the doors would be locked and no one let out until consensus was achieved.
I wish for open forum, town hall give and take, a panel with all sides represented and one on one debate.
Perhaps the two rooms is OK but I wish we were forced to work together in front of the public...in front of the public.
Honest, open and in front of the public on all matters.
Steve

 

[Nancy Swart]

From what John had either told me or posted before, MAC is using MASNA's room after MASNA clears out on Friday morning... So they have the same room. I think Nancy posted that the AMDA room and MASNA/MAC rooms are across the hallway from each other. And above the main room was it?

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Correct, Mike!