Ecologically Sustainable Yield - Report

[Kalkbreath]

I think it might have actually been in FAMA.....that I read of the event?

 

[Anonymous]

And it doesnt disapoint you Galleon that all this research has led nowhere?what answers have been learned in all this research? Galleon , Why are the 1000 year corals dying now? The diseases have been around as long as Africa has been dusting...? Whats the second contributor?

YES without a doubt overfishing and removal of key species [ie, the D. antillarum dieoff] affects algae growth on reefs. This is a routine ecological experiment in my department. You remove some predators, and others take over. Read a book on ecology.

Are you really that dense? I already explained this in my last post. The diseases are showing up THROUGHOUT THE CARIBBEAN, in many places where there is no runnoff. We know the amounts of dust being delivered to all these areas has skyrocketed. There have been several papers showing that any runnoff in the Florida Keys would be buffered by seagrass. No American rivers deliver material to the reef system in the Florida Keys. The Everglades do no even deliver water to them.

OF COURSE NOT. The dust has been fertilizing the Amazon rainforest in the winter for thousands of years. The tradewinds aim for the Caribbean in the summer, and South America in the winter. If you actually read my posts before you start yapping out of your ass, you would see I already told you that the mass and density of dust being delivered has SKYROCKETED since before the 1980's. We look at limestone cores and know exactly how much dust has been delivered per unit area for every summer on geologic record for the area, so we know it has skyrocketed, it isn't just a guess. Now maybe your few brain cells can piece together why this means disease incidence has gone up. We don't know that it has just now begun to infect corals, because no one was looking before the mid-70's.

Really man, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[horge]

Really man, stop embarrassing yourself.

Chris,
I honestly think you should be the one to back off.
You, and Mike, and Jessica, and the others.

You see... there are more pressing concerns that would profit from the valuable energy and thought you've fed to this black hole.

While Kalk at times fills the role of Simplicio to the various Sagredos and Salviatis in this forum, (hopefully to the enlightenment and education of an unseen audience,) well....

you have more pressing concerns to devote your energy and talent to.

 

[Anonymous]

Really man, stop embarrassing yourself.

Chris,
I honestly think you should be the one to back off.
You, and Mike, and Jessica, and the others.

You see... there are more pressing concerns that would profit from the valuable energy and thought you've fed to this black hole.

Despite outward appearances, I was actually asked by other interested parties (your "invisible audience") to put down what I knew about the topic. I feel I've now done that to the point of repitition, and therefore there is nothing more to be gained by my posting to this thread..

Merry Christmas, Horge (Another year without a white Christmas, I suspect? ), and happy holidays to everyone.

 

[mkirda]

When it is so easy for me to prove the event with one old web page?

LOL. Wow. That is all it takes to convince you of an event's reality?
A single web page?

I've also read a web page that claimed the Holocaust never happened. Is that acceptable proof? Or should I trust the fact that I have visited one of the death camps myself?

I've seen a web page that claimed Bin Laden is an actor, that the Israeli Mossad launched the attacks against the WTC, and the proof offered was that no Jews were in the WTC when it was attacked because the Jews that worked there had called each other in order to stay home that day. Do I believe that, or do I believe the grieving Jewish families who lost someone that day?

I guess I don't define my reality by a single web page.

Happy Holidays, everyone!

Mike Kirda

 

[mkirda]

Chris,
I honestly think you should be the one to back off.
You, and Mike, and Jessica, and the others.

You see... there are more pressing concerns that would profit from the valuable energy and thought you've fed to this black hole.

While Kalk at times fills the role of Simplicio to the various Sagredos and Salviatis in this forum, (hopefully to the enlightenment and education of an unseen audience,) well....

you have more pressing concerns to devote your energy and talent to.

You are correct, Horge.
Maligayang Pasko, and my present to all is to ignore the distractions and move forward instead.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[Kalkbreath]

You asked for it.






You really don't know dick about oceanography either, which doesn't surprise me. When Flagler built his railroads, and the engineer corps canalled the Everglades, ALL EXPORT TO THE KEYS REEFS WAS STOPPED. Water no longer followed its drainage pattern from the Everglades to Florida Bay. This lack of turbidity is what allowed the staghorns and elkhorns to take over the boulder-morphed true reef builders in the first place. The elkhorns and staghorns are not the historically dominant species that they became during the 1900's. The water that moves under the seven mile bridge does not come from the Gulf. It comes from Florida Bay. The only water from the Gulf that reaches that area comes from the loop current (your "cold water from the panhandle", which is neither cold, nor does it go as far north as the panhandle, or even the Gulf dead zone or Mississippi plume, for that matter).

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On one hand you state that sediments do not effect the coral reefs ,Yet does not the change in coral after the rail road and Flagler ended sediments illustrate the dramatic effect ending sediments had on the Keys? Even the weeks after Hurricane George illustrated the huge effect turbid water has on the reefs........

 

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Thread: Ecologically Sustainable Yield - Report

There were write ups about the event on several websites run by Fla fish and wild life........Thats were I came upon the conclusion {by others } that it was the effects of the storm ........I noticed the absence of large crabs myself in the field ......When I asked local authorities they offered the theory......and I confirmed it on the Web .........I will continue to look for any old sources .......I am not sure why you have chosen this issue to challange? When it is so easy for me to prove the event with one old web page?

Dear Kalkbreath, I have not as you put it "chosen this issue to challange?" [ Which "this issue" ??? ]

Primarily I made my comments, because the post I responded to was a confusing amalgam of unrelated tidbits, to wit

"galleon was still in diapers}....."
"I think it was 1997 or 98 ? "
"Pissing the night away "
"a New Years eve party on Marathon island"
"came up in conversation"
"Why or how I dont no for sure"
"and I was there. "

PLEASE forgive me for being so slow and not being able to connect ALL these valuable bits.
I mean when it is a well documented event, surely you can give us the relevant and accurate details.

Hurricane ___ in 199_;
Location: ____ ;
Observations well documented as per the following:
URL1,
URL2;
Reports: Such and such... ;
Etc. etc. Etc. etc. ...

That kind of information will make a positive contribution here. Your amalgams are just plain distracting.
Heck even after claiming plenty of support for your "relevant tidbit" you fail to offer us those famous webpages [ URLs ]
I for one would be happy to see such.

As I said on another thread, where I was distracted for a while: "There is a lot to be said for clarity".

Let's see what we can do here, or?

 

[Kalkbreath]

I think you might be looking at the wrong industry if you want clarity.....There is no clarity in a hobby surrounded in urban myth.. Even the topic of Natural reefs in Fla is a murky topic...... I only briefly mentioned the hermit crab decline after hurricane George because I thought galleon would have quickly remembered the episode....{Like the 911 of the keys} It was a big deal to the Keys and the event changed many notions about what is "natural" and what is not for the area..For one, .The hurricane did not clean out Florida bay like many expected....? Does this mean that the "Natural "state of this body of water IS stagnate? Second, if the many of the corals in the Keys are not natural and only gained a foot hold due to the un natural activities of mr Flagler {as galleon suggests}, Why do we expect that we can somehow let nature take care of them? If over fishing is responsible for the current state of the Caribbean ..........Then why only lately has there been so much more disease and algae? The bulk of fishing was in the 1800s Could it be that ,like galleon suggests the natural state of the keys IS very little coral? It sure seems like nature is out to get the coral in the Caribbean.......The scientists feel the disease is natural , the sediments are natural .....and the African dust is natural as well ................Call me silly ......But .I dont .....!