Do you still get excited?

[Jaime Baquero]

Crap? Are you talking about the problems that the whole industry, including yourself, want to keep ignoring?

And Chip....life could be short.

 

[Anonymous]

Crap? Are you talking about the problems that the whole industry, including yourself, want to keep ignoring?

And Chip....life could be short.

Jamie, all the arguing and posturing and lying in this forum has accomplished ZERO is solving the industry problems. That's the 'crap' I was talking about...

My life won't be short. The minute you start thinking otherwise, you stop enjoying life...

Peace,

Chip

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Do you want some examples? Helping to fund net training courses and supplies. Other? Supplying needed material to improve holding of fish at community level. More? Producing simple guides(posters) showing fish collectors how to better handle the fish, this in their language. Other example? Simple guides about water quality. Other? Caring for the fish collectors, without them no fish.
More? Helping with funds to produce didactic material related to coral reef conservation.

More?

Jaime,

If the industry started funding all of this today, how long do you think it would take to solve the problem?

What a question! You know very well that it won't happen. Almost TWENTY years gone and nothing has happened. TWENTY years after and what has been the response of the industry to AMDA's call for the net fund? US$ 1,000...... isn't that a joke? Once more the industry is sending a clear sign that they do not care.

 

[MaryHM]

What this bill will do is to "force" this industry to be responsible. The status quo is not an option. The industry has to learn the hard way. It is time for this industry to put something back.

Jaime, I don't get you. First you say this bill is going to force the industry to give something back. I ask what. You respond. I ask what kind of timeline do you think it will take and you basically blow me off with more pissing and moaning. Please answer the question. If the industry is going to be forced to do what you lined out because of the bill, how long do you think it will take?

 

[naesco]

Jaime thank you for your post.
It confirms what everyone in industry knows but refuses to admit.

Dizzy it is not understandable that BILL 4928 is front and center at the conference. It is a major sell out by the organizers to industry.
Industry does not want what Mary calls its dirty little secret out in a large public meeting.

But, there is a responsibility for reform minded industry/hobbyist types who are going to have it raised from the floor. I would but I cannot attend this time.

So you're saying the organizers sold out the industry. :roll: hr4928 wasn't even introduced to Congress when the speakers were being lined up. No one is going to be talking about it in their presentations unless it is AMDA or Reef Central. Most people in the industry and hobby haven't even heard of it yet and that includes the organizers.
Mitch

So Mitch is that any reason to ignore it? Think about it.

 

[naesco]

What this bill will do is to "force" this industry to be responsible. The status quo is not an option. The industry has to learn the hard way. It is time for this industry to put something back.

Jaime, I don't get you. First you say this bill is going to force the industry to give something back. I ask what. You respond. I ask what kind of timeline do you think it will take and you basically blow me off with more pissing and moaning. Please answer the question. If the industry is going to be forced to do what you lined out because of the bill, how long do you think it will take?

It will take some time Mary and that is why it is necessary to immediately prohibit the import of fish from the Philippines and Indonesia where the use of cyanide is rampant.

In those countries it will take time to:
1. Put a CDT in place
2. Train fishers
3. Set up sustainability areas
4 Educate fishers about BILL 4928 especially which fish, coral and inverts are prohibited under the USL sections of the new law.
5. Certify companies

 

[MaryHM]

Exactly what would you like MACNA to do about the bill? And whatever that action is, what purpose would you expect it to serve?

 

[MaryHM]

It will take some time Mary

That's not an answer to the question, and your post is basically a rehash of Jaime's where he lists things to do. My question is what is a ball park figure on how long it will take to implement all of these things? 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 3 years, 1400 years? What?

 

[dizzy]

Man you can sure tell you guys haven't been reading the MAMTI documents. I believe some of the choosen importers are going to be making considerable investments in the Philippines and Indo. Something like $100K per. I believe the certified stuff will just go to their facilities. It is all part of the vertically integrated system. It's SOL for the rest though. I'm shocked you guys haven't heard about it. 8O My advice is to join AMDA so you can keep more informed. Could be the best $50 you ever spent.
Mitch

 

[naesco]

Exactly what would you like MACNA to do about the bill? And whatever that action is, what purpose would you expect it to serve?

There is nothing that MACNA can do about the bill.
What MACNA should do is inform the participants of the BILL and it effect on our hobby. The goal should be to send the participants back into their communities so that they can get the message to industry loud and clear

NO MORE CYANIDE!!!

Maybe just maybe the hobbyists may be the catalyst for reeform as industry has done nothing to further reeform

 

[kylen]

What about us Canadians, Wayne? I believe you alluded to some legislation in Canada in a previous post. Again, any insight would be great.

 

[naesco]

It will take some time Mary

That's not an answer to the question, and your post is basically a rehash of Jaime's where he lists things to do. My question is what is a ball park figure on how long it will take to implement all of these things? 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 3 years, 1400 years? What?

I see the Philippines and Indonesia shut down for coral and fish imports for three years starting this coming spring.
Shipments of certified net caught fish will continue as will certifed coral from sustainable areas.
No shipments will be allowed of fish, coral and inverts that are on the Unsuitable Species List (USL) except by special permit.
The import of natural live rock will be prohibited

How is that for crystal ball gazing. But, you have to admit, I was right on the money on the government stepping in>

 

[Fish World1]

I see the Philippines and Indonesia shut down for coral and fish imports for three years starting this coming spring.
Shipments of certified net caught fish will continue as will certifed coral from sustainable areas.
No shipments will be allowed of fish, coral and inverts that are on the Unsuitable Species List (USL) except by special permit.
The import of natural live rock will be prohibited

How is that for crystal ball gazing. But, you have to admit, I was right on the money on the government stepping in>

One more time, so maybe you'll understand. It is only a bill it isn't a law.

To answer the question that was the reason for this thread. I still get excited when I get in a shipment of sps. I really don't get excited opening box after box of fish. I don't dislike it and I still enjoy this "job" better than the corporate world.

The only thing I'm burnt out on is the late nights. I receive most my shipments around 10-11 pm and I go to the airport and pick them up that night. So depending on the shipment size it's very late when I get things acclimated and put away.

 

[naesco]

It is a BILL that no one can oppose. It is like motherhood and apple pie.

If you are not worried, you should be.

One more time so that YOU will understand. REEFORM before it is too late.

 

[kylen]

Wayne,

Once again...this is an American proposed piece of legislation...as per a previous post of yours, what Canadian proposed legislation is in the works that you are privy to? The curiosity is killing me.

 

[naesco]

Wayne,

Once again...this is an American proposed piece of legislation...as per a previous post of yours, what Canadian proposed legislation is in the works that you are privy to? The curiosity is killing me.[/quote

This is a US Bill to be enacted into law. There will be the Canadian equivalent to that Bill. I can guarantee that.

Wayne

 

[kylen]

I'm not asking about the crystal ball thing, is there something currently on the table or in the works...that's all. I'm curious to know due to the impact on my business, as you know. Hey, maybe I could offer some insight to the CDN legislators/regulators :roll: . Anyone I should speak to???

 

[Anonymous]

Wayne,

Once again...this is an American proposed piece of legislation...as per a previous post of yours, what Canadian proposed legislation is in the works that you are privy to? The curiosity is killing me.[/quote

This is a US Bill to be enacted into law. There will be the Canadian equivalent to that Bill. I can guarantee that.

Wayne

er, no, atm it's just a bill, like thousands of other bills

for how long have you had the delusions of being a prophet ? :lol:

so far you're 0 for about 5, taking all of your predictions made since 2002 into account :lol:

 

[Rikko]

This is a US Bill to be enacted into law. There will be the Canadian equivalent to that Bill. I can guarantee that.

So far I haven't seen a DMCA, Homeland Security Act, nor anything close that hasn't been blown out of the water.

Canada's animal protection laws haven't been changed since the 19th century, purportedly because the government are terrified of farmers and don't want to lose the votes of the enormous agricultural and related industries. Fish? Who cares about fish? Coral reefs? Who cares? Kitties are fuzzy and cute and cows have those adorable eyes and you can still get away with abominable acts of cruelty (though it's not 'cruelty' by the letter of the law - and no reform to change that).

I wouldn't guarantee anything, we're far too busy building fountains in Liberal ridings to bother with trivial things like animal welfare.

 

[naesco]

I'm not asking about the crystal ball thing, is there something currently on the table or in the works...that's all. I'm curious to know due to the impact on my business, as you know. Hey, maybe I could offer some insight to the CDN legislators/regulators :roll: . Anyone I should speak to???

You have lots to offer, Kyle.
Will be in touch
Wayne