So the goal of a zeo system is to be able to achieve what nature achieves without the tools nature has? I have an 18g system with zero po4 and no3 because I use macro algae for nutrient control and export (like nature), along with water changes. Does a zeo system negate the need for water changes? If so, I can see how for a big system it might be worth it. However, I'm not sold on the fact that it's a more natural way to run a tank.
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- Thread starter ReeferMadness99
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I'm not interested in starting an argument with you, but the vast majority of corals in the wild are brown and certainly not the pastel hues of a Zeovit system. The only way to get the intense pastel colors we are talking about in the wild is after or during a bleaching event.
Zeovit systems seem to work well if they are run correctly and produce results that many find appealing, but let's not confuse this with an attempt to minic nature, rather it is an attempt to force and exploit targeted coral biological processes to our aesthetic advantage. This is neither bad nor good, but it is not natural.
Zeovit systems seem to work well if they are run correctly and produce results that many find appealing, but let's not confuse this with an attempt to minic nature, rather it is an attempt to force and exploit targeted coral biological processes to our aesthetic advantage. This is neither bad nor good, but it is not natural.
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^^Which brings back the point that, as a dealer, you may have a lot of unhappy customers when their corals end up looking dull compared to the images you post, or compared to what they looked like in your system.
I do commend you for using LED's. I have some on order as well.
I do commend you for using LED's. I have some on order as well.
Just a note on color:
The color of marine life as observed in nature is not absolute and most times not completely natural.
The light diffusing capacity of a relatively shallow 30 feet of seawater can have a huge effect on how color is viewed and that gets more extreme as you descend.
Colors start to diffuse in order of the spectrum ROYGBIV. In 30 feet of seawater red is almost completely gone, yet only some of the true color can be represented by artificial light.
So, a basic orange clown fish on a Tahitian reef is not really the same color as the one in an aquarium. The only light an observer has is not going to be as full spectrum as natural sunlight at sea level or even in an aquarium.
So the true natural color can appear duller yet that is based upon a given depth and cannot be compared to what we perceive as the true color based upon what we see in aquariums?
The color of marine life as observed in nature is not absolute and most times not completely natural.
The light diffusing capacity of a relatively shallow 30 feet of seawater can have a huge effect on how color is viewed and that gets more extreme as you descend.
Colors start to diffuse in order of the spectrum ROYGBIV. In 30 feet of seawater red is almost completely gone, yet only some of the true color can be represented by artificial light.
So, a basic orange clown fish on a Tahitian reef is not really the same color as the one in an aquarium. The only light an observer has is not going to be as full spectrum as natural sunlight at sea level or even in an aquarium.
So the true natural color can appear duller yet that is based upon a given depth and cannot be compared to what we perceive as the true color based upon what we see in aquariums?
You are correct as to the color being filtered by water depth and natural coral have more color than most underwater photos show. However, freshly harvested corals are no way in the same range of colors as an ultra altered Zeo tank. It is unnatural and far being a good way to treat any animal, the manipulation Zeo is doing is no different than making a person drink selective synthetic liquid food all day so they have the perfect figure, perfect to those people who them selfs looks like crap :lol2:.
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Oh this is getting good......:smokin:
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Randy, I have always in agreement with you and feel that you are one of the more objective member here. Even though the part "making many people very unhappy" will be a fact, it may not be theoretically correct if reefermadness sells the frags to a buyer with straight forward info about the fact that he is using Zeovit system. For e.g., if a vendor is using a BK skimmer and obtain very good colored SPS and then sell the frag to a person whom does not have a skimmer and the frag brown or bleach out and then may eventually die. Most vocal members here will tell the buyer to get a skimmer and it's the purchaser's fault not to research it first. And if the buyer decided to stay low cost and not getting a skimmer and yet continue to ask the board about why his SPS is dull, he got yelled at. So my point is as long reefermadness is upfront in his husbandry(i.e using zeovit) then it's the purchasers' responsibility to make sure he himself has the same system much like using a BIG A$$ skimmer. To use zeovit or not is a choice of the buyer himself. The buyer should make purchase base on his own system. taking me as an example, I like dirty tank inhabitants(things that everyone here say you should never keep) so when I purchase my filter feeders, they do good in my system while they may all die in most member's system not to mention the Zeovit. I would never complain the supplier selling me any clams, scallops, oyster or dendro, sun polyps...... because I should know what my system is.
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reefermadness,
try PM NYFireman3097, he may have some experience info for you. As far as maintenance goes, he once said to me like this, "just clean the dirt every morning which takes less than couple minutes." So if that's true, I am pretty sure you can stay on top of this thing. Ask him if he has changed to another system or not and if so why or why not.
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Freshly collected anemone
check out the color before they got shipped.
Take note what do they look like when you see them in a LFS and the one in your tank after 6 months.
Picture taken under the sun that's 67,000K range at close to water surface.
check out the color before they got shipped.
Take note what do they look like when you see them in a LFS and the one in your tank after 6 months.
Picture taken under the sun that's 67,000K range at close to water surface.
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hmm. Ok
Blasto under the not so bright light.
check the color of the surroundings for reference.
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I'm confused at what you're getting at Wingo. No one is debating that there are colorful corals in the ocean. What has been stated is that by and large, the colors are duller than what are in our tanks, and certainly not the pastels of a zeo environment. A zeo tank is good for someone who wants that particular coloration (though if it's good for the corals, who knows).
I do agree with you that if the seller is up front about the zeo environment, the buyer should not be surprised if the colors dull out in a non-zeo tank.
I do agree with you that if the seller is up front about the zeo environment, the buyer should not be surprised if the colors dull out in a non-zeo tank.
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I try to provide as much info as possible like surroundings, color temperature and such so that you guys can a have better sense of what they may look like in different settings when we talk about their natural colors by showing some pics of the corals that are freshly collected and pics are taken at the surface of the water, not under the depth of the sea nor at the convenience of our aquariums.
Many readers may not have the chance to see them like this. As many of the diving sites forbid us to touch the corals at all.
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D ... I don't think anyone knows what this thread is about at this point ...
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