Zeovit System
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I know of Ed's tank, those picture were taken less then 24 months after setting up. I have not seen any pictures of the same tank since then and he has not posted using his normal user name since 2007.
BaNDiTo_RoX
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After reading all this has anyone ask why Zeovit don't list whats in the products compare to brightwell. I also agree he should take a look at Steve (AKA Pnoyreefer) thread which he's running Brightwell and man it look so hmmm can't find the right word maybe freaking AWSOME!
Also Brightwell is made in the good O USA.
Just my 2cents
Also Brightwell is made in the good O USA.
Just my 2cents
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jimidalock
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Where can I find out more info on brightwell?
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RC has a whole thread on it
AlohaTropics
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Everyone that is saying that ZEOvit is too expensive and posting links that show tanks of equal beauty that is not using ZEOvit. Take this into account:
The link for Travis Heidbrink's Aquarium shows a perfect example of the point I am about to make. Travis states that in order to achieve the low nutrient water quality for his predominant SPS tank, he uses an oversized Bubble King 400 ($4000). He has an oversized Sump. He has a 75gal. refugium with a 4" DSB and lighting. He runs a Phos reactor. And some other people even run a Denitrator with Sulfur.
The ZEOvit system, yes has different additives and supplements. Costs a little more but no refugium is needed. No Phos Reactor, no Sulfur Denitrator, No UV, No Ozone. In terms of complexity which many people are saying its so hard to do and so complex. It is actually much simpler. It is also saving you money in other areas and equipment that you don't need.
Point in case, forums tend to create biases that are not actually substantiated. And just like any other rumor mill, things are exaggerated more and more out of proportion until you hear nothing but "ZEOvit is sooooo expensive and impossible to run unless you spend hours and hours everyday of your life devoted to your tank." makes me laugh.
The link for Travis Heidbrink's Aquarium shows a perfect example of the point I am about to make. Travis states that in order to achieve the low nutrient water quality for his predominant SPS tank, he uses an oversized Bubble King 400 ($4000). He has an oversized Sump. He has a 75gal. refugium with a 4" DSB and lighting. He runs a Phos reactor. And some other people even run a Denitrator with Sulfur.
The ZEOvit system, yes has different additives and supplements. Costs a little more but no refugium is needed. No Phos Reactor, no Sulfur Denitrator, No UV, No Ozone. In terms of complexity which many people are saying its so hard to do and so complex. It is actually much simpler. It is also saving you money in other areas and equipment that you don't need.
Point in case, forums tend to create biases that are not actually substantiated. And just like any other rumor mill, things are exaggerated more and more out of proportion until you hear nothing but "ZEOvit is sooooo expensive and impossible to run unless you spend hours and hours everyday of your life devoted to your tank." makes me laugh.
Not looking to reject what you are saying, but you do run carbon, some people do use a ozone unit to help their skimmer you also need to get the proper test kits. I am currently running the system myself trying it out and so far not much of a change as of yet beside the lost of a couple of corals. I think the starting phase is where everyone gets worried
AlohaTropics
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Agreed, but just to point out, I didn't say no carbon. Carbon is actually an essential part of the 4 basic ZEO elements. But I was simply trying to point out some cost saving parts of ZEOvit that can offset the higher cost of supplements. The Carbon can and should be passively ran in the ZEO system so a reactor is really not needed so your saving in the reactor and electrical cost of its pump.
I always thought that Ozone has its benefits but is dangerous and IMO not worth using. Running ZEOvit already brings your system down to a very low nutrient environment so if your using a good skimmer, ozone is an extra complication. But if it works for you, thats great! I just want to point out to people that ZEOvit is not as complex and actually probably more simple. The priniciple is really the opposite of mainstream techniques. With ZEOvit, your are stripping your environment of everything and then re adding exactly what your livestock needs which is why there are so many supplements. But keep in mind that not many are necessary but just improve looks and health. Mainstream thought is to control nutrient levels with GFO, Filtration methods, UV, Denitrators, etc... It just seems to me that the ZEO method is like taking everything to 0 and adding only what is needed according to your tank. Traditional is taking everything you have and trying to manipulate it to the levels that you need. ZEO just seems to give you more control and efficiency. The dangers of both methods are opposite poles. In the traditional System, if you don't pay attention, you run the risk of having too much garbage in your water. In ZEO, if you don't pay attention, you run the risk of stripping the water down to 0.
I always thought that Ozone has its benefits but is dangerous and IMO not worth using. Running ZEOvit already brings your system down to a very low nutrient environment so if your using a good skimmer, ozone is an extra complication. But if it works for you, thats great! I just want to point out to people that ZEOvit is not as complex and actually probably more simple. The priniciple is really the opposite of mainstream techniques. With ZEOvit, your are stripping your environment of everything and then re adding exactly what your livestock needs which is why there are so many supplements. But keep in mind that not many are necessary but just improve looks and health. Mainstream thought is to control nutrient levels with GFO, Filtration methods, UV, Denitrators, etc... It just seems to me that the ZEO method is like taking everything to 0 and adding only what is needed according to your tank. Traditional is taking everything you have and trying to manipulate it to the levels that you need. ZEO just seems to give you more control and efficiency. The dangers of both methods are opposite poles. In the traditional System, if you don't pay attention, you run the risk of having too much garbage in your water. In ZEO, if you don't pay attention, you run the risk of stripping the water down to 0.
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aloha do you personlly run zeo ? yu on the other hand are making it sound like a simple system to run do you tak vacations ? how do you monitor doc's ? most of us play a game when running uln systems, as i run one as well, i did the brightwell, but went back to vodka. zeo isnt expensive when compared to cost of a system and stocking corals. but to throw the few extra hundredevery few months it does add up, just like in reality a cal reactor is cheaper over a few yr period then adding 2 part. kinda odd you have had 2 post and it's only been on this,
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No, didn't mean that it was a simple system to run. As any system in Reefing, diligent husbandry is key. Rather I was shocked at how many people thought the system itself was too complex with all of the different dosing and supplements. Just wanted to point out that system itself is very basic with much fewer parts than what people are using nowadays.
I believe the ZEO guide said that it was perfectly okay to stop supplementing for things like "going away" just pick up where you left off when you return. I'm pretty sure that its not okay to disappear for a month but thats kinda the same for any system, right?
And I definitely agree the cost does add up. Its no question that running ZEOvit will indeed be more expensive, but as I said a few posts back, I'm just surprised how information gets exaggerated through the grapevine. I'm actually running ZEO now, but only about 2 weeks in. I try to keep my opinions based on source information through the guys at KZ primarily. I realize that they may be bias as well, it is their product after all. But I've gone over the numbers again and again. IMO, it really doesn't seem that bad.
Not odd at all, just continuing the conversation we were having before I left off. This is my new company screenname, a little less tacky than reefermadness, eh?
I believe the ZEO guide said that it was perfectly okay to stop supplementing for things like "going away" just pick up where you left off when you return. I'm pretty sure that its not okay to disappear for a month but thats kinda the same for any system, right?
And I definitely agree the cost does add up. Its no question that running ZEOvit will indeed be more expensive, but as I said a few posts back, I'm just surprised how information gets exaggerated through the grapevine. I'm actually running ZEO now, but only about 2 weeks in. I try to keep my opinions based on source information through the guys at KZ primarily. I realize that they may be bias as well, it is their product after all. But I've gone over the numbers again and again. IMO, it really doesn't seem that bad.
Not odd at all, just continuing the conversation we were having before I left off. This is my new company screenname, a little less tacky than reefermadness, eh?
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more of my point as i said before, you cannot stop running that system for a week, then jump right back in where you started, if your going to run a basic system then just stick with vodka and aminos. or go to the brightwell system. ive personally had good succes doing both types, and again i dont take vacation that i would be gone more then a day or 2, and at that point i measure dosage out and my father-in-law dose's for me. ive never used the zeo or seen in person a system running one, really the zeo or brightwell or vodka is not much difference in purpose of a denitrator, keep phos 0 keep nitrate 0 and running a big skimmer
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AlohaTropics
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I'm not sure which part of the quote you doubt. The Zeo Guide says that if you need to be absent, its perfectly okay to stop dosing and start again. Again, I'm pretty sure that you can't be away for an extended period of time, but a few days is okay. Thats just what the Official Guide that Korallen Zucht put out said. I'm not about to test it.
Aloha,
I did use zeo for almost for 4 years, when Thomas introduce this system to US.So, trust me i know how dificult to run this system..really wanna talk you after 4 years of running this system. I am sure you will have a lil difference view.
i am not saying this system is bad, but its not that easy how you try to introduce..sorry JMO
mike
I did use zeo for almost for 4 years, when Thomas introduce this system to US.So, trust me i know how dificult to run this system..really wanna talk you after 4 years of running this system. I am sure you will have a lil difference view.
i am not saying this system is bad, but its not that easy how you try to introduce..sorry JMO
mike
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