My Bamboo Shark is sick (Suggestions/Info Please)

[Anonymous]

If you buy something and it dies... so what you paid for it. The same rights that let me buy a fish

Forget the fact that the fish arrived on the earth through the same processes that you did (ie, God, or Big Bang, or whatever you believe). Yet for some reason you have more of a right to live than the fish does?

Remeber Fish Guy, people used the same arguement when justifying the death of their African slaves in the Pre-Civil War era. That opinion changed and I feel that yours will too with time.

 

[Anonymous]

:roll: This whole thing is funny. If you buy something and it dies... so what you paid for it. Its your choice to learn from it or throw some more money away. The same rights that let me buy a fish let Joe Bob buy the same fish nine times to keep it once. What if you bought a live puffer fish and ate it 4 fugu? Who cares I bought it and I like fresh fugu( yeah I know its poisonous). If you want to protect fish, dont buy anything for a sw tank, get a hamster or something. Sure it is great to try to make an informed purchase so you dont waste any money or kill stuff for no reason. However, if you do its ok they sell more if you want to try again or if your just hungry!!!

Those same rights you talk about give others the right to call you a bonehead, or worse, for the actions you outline.
The idea that the only real way to care and protect fish is to not buy anything for a sw tank is an oversimplification that makes little sense.


sjfishguy
RE: savetheexpos - its called sarcasm.

king j,
Sorry about your loss, and sorry you took a minor beating here. I understand both sides, and can see no good way to limit the kinds of responses to the ones you would have wanted. And, I am not sure if we should. I guess the thing to take away from this thread, besides the shark info, is if you are gonna ask questions about 'issue' species, be ready for all kinds of answers.

 

[sslarison]

Fish Guy is being a little extreme but I agree with one statement. That is that if you want to protect the ocean dont buy salt water fish. People are constantly moaning on and on about natural habitats of the fish and so on. Th truth is that we cant simulate the natural enviornment for 90% of the fisk in the trade but all the people on this forum still buy them. So I dont think anyone has the right to call anyone else a bonehead unless they have a 200 gal tank with a pair of clowns and a damsel in it.

 

[sjfishguy]

Thank god more of you who feel like I do are finally speaking out. I am not claiming you feel to the exteme about things as me, but like sslarson said

The truth is that we cant simulate the natural enviornment for 90% of the fisk in the trade but all the people on this forum still buy them. So I dont think anyone has the right to call anyone else a bonehead unless they have a 200 gal tank with a pair of clowns and a damsel in it.

That is my point exactly, so all you who complain about keeping this species or that species, you are all hypocrites.

Forget the fact that the fish arrived on the earth through the same processes that you did (ie, God, or Big Bang, or whatever you believe). Yet for some reason you have more of a right to live than the fish does?
Remeber Fish Guy, people used the same arguement when justifying the death of their African slaves in the Pre-Civil War era.

Dr. Reef: So now you are saying that fish are worth the same as human life? That slaves of the civil war time are worth the same as fish today? So if you could save a minnow or a baby, you would be indifferent on which one to pick? I think (now this may be a long shot) you would agree that human life is more important than a fish when I put it in that context. Let's be serious, its a stupid little fish.

 

[Expos Forever]

I have "stupid little fish" that catch on to sarcasm faster than you fishguy. Since fish are stupid does that make you sjidiotguy? (More sarcasm BTW)

 

[Expos Forever]

fishguy: I almost forgot

To quote people simply hit the CTRL key + the W key :wink:

 

[Expos Forever]

Here is a couple negative posts that might just have some good results:

http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

 

[Anonymous]

Fish Guy is being a little extreme but I agree with one statement. That is that if you want to protect the ocean dont buy salt water fish. People are constantly moaning on and on about natural habitats of the fish and so on. Th truth is that we cant simulate the natural enviornment for 90% of the fisk in the trade but all the people on this forum still buy them. So I dont think anyone has the right to call anyone else a bonehead unless they have a 200 gal tank with a pair of clowns and a damsel in it.

umm...

bad analogy, here-many reef fish do not use that large a space during their entire life on the reef

most clowns remain in the same few square feet of area(their host anemone), for example

to make a blanket generalization like that is just as bad as the other extreme, and is not truly reflective of the other argument offered here. :wink:

i don't think the intent here was to say, 'never', or 'all'

the point is-when you're dealing with a fish(or any other animal, for that matter)that has fairly highly specialized requirements, and not meeting those will probably have direct bearing on the long term health and care of the animal-those requirements should be met.to ignore those really is irresponsible

some fish do better w/a bending of the rules a little(like certain tangs) and some(like most sharks) don't

people need to look more than a year or two ahead-tooo many hobbyists only think of the immediate future-like all those who impulse buy a puppy fore their kids at xmas time-leading to the 10-15 million abandoned dogs and cats in shelters in this country

just because a fish can't communicate as directly with the owner, doesn't mean it isn't deserving of the same level of responsibility for it's long term care requirements being taken into consideration-after all-most larger, and many smaller fish can live just as long as a dog-many even longer-if you know you won't be able to provide for the 20+ yrs a shark may live for-you shouldn't really be buying one

the contention that one 'really likes them',is not the only justification to be considered for their keeping :wink:

 

[welshreefer]

how much was the shark and how is he doin now?

 

[King Jason]

He was $30, and is now swimming in the clouds.

 

[Anonymous]

how much was the shark and how is he doin now?

It has gone on back to its creator and will return as somethin else. Perhaps a Reefer..? I wonder if he will keep sharks or maybe a radical paranoid environmentalist and work for Greenpeace. :roll:

 

[King Jason]

how much was the shark and how is he doin now?

It has gone on back to its creator and will return as somethin else. Perhaps a Reefer..? I wonder if he will keep sharks or maybe a radical paranoid environmentalist and work for Greenpeace. :roll:

Either way it will come back as a relentless killer :wink:

 

[EmilyB]

What I have done: I gave him a 30 second fresh water dip (RO/DI Water at tank temp.)

I just wanted to ask if you had corrected the pH of the RO/DI as well, and to point out to anyone doing a FW bath that both pH and temp should be the same as the tank water.

Unless that doesn't apply to sharks of course... :?

 

[King Jason]

What I have done: I gave him a 30 second fresh water dip (RO/DI Water at tank temp.)

I just wanted to ask if you had corrected the pH of the RO/DI as well, and to point out to anyone doing a FW bath that both pH and temp should be the same as the tank water.

Unless that doesn't apply to sharks of course... :?

Yes, it was RO/DI water same temp, and same pH.

 

[Minh Nguyen]

........Th truth is that we cant simulate the natural enviornment for 90% of the fisk in the trade but all the people on this forum still buy them. So I dont think anyone has the right to call anyone else a bonehead unless they have a 200 gal tank with a pair of clowns and a damsel in it.

This is just not true. One of the good yard stick to measure how well we keep fish is the ability of for us to iduce them to spawn. If we get the fish to spawn, IMO, means that we are taking good care of them. We don't have to raise the baby, just to spawn them. From what I know, quite a few popular Marinf fish have spawn in captivity. In my tank, more tahn 1/2 of the fish have spawned in captivity.
Another yardstick is weather we can raise them from young to maturity. We certainly can do this for a great number of fishes sold today.
Minh Nguyen

 

[sslarison]

Vitz, I understand what you are saying but in order for your argument to hold water you have to choose a side. Ill bet that most of your fish do cover a larger territory in the wild than they can in your tank. I will also bet that you consider most of your fish to be healthy and happy. I have also seen many tanks with sharks of different species doing very well. So I guess your statement about sharks could be perhaps a bad blanket generalization also. Basically all Im saying is that nobody who is in the hobby we are in can point the finger at another. Agree? Probably not but thats ok. I am willing to accept the fact that what i am doing as a hobby is not natural but i do try to simulate that the best that i can.

 

[sslarison]

OK people so 2 clowns dont need a 200 gallon... settle down. Ill bet you all have tangs and angels though right? An angel or a tang in the wild covers hundreds of yards everyday. So take that yardstick of yours and measure your tank and let me know what you come up with. Game...Set...Match.

 

[King Jason]

Just train your tangs to swin in circles...They can then swim as many yards as they want to. :wink:

 

[sslarison]

LOL

 

[Anonymous]

Vitz, I understand what you are saying but in order for your argument to hold water you have to choose a side. Ill bet that most of your fish do cover a larger territory in the wild than they can in your tank. I will also bet that you consider most of your fish to be healthy and happy. I have also seen many tanks with sharks of different species doing very well. So I guess your statement about sharks could be perhaps a bad blanket generalization also. Basically all Im saying is that nobody who is in the hobby we are in can point the finger at another. Agree? Probably not but thats ok. I am willing to accept the fact that what i am doing as a hobby is not natural but i do try to simulate that the best that i can.

I think the best thing we can do as Marine Hobbyists for Conservation of Reefs and Fish is to continue researching for info,sharing information,sharing experiences(good and bad),and attempting the husbandry of animals in captivity. This includes sharks and other difficult to keep animals. When people see these animals up close they become interested in the conservation of the inhabitants on this planet. Arguin about this only wastes valuable time and energy that could be used in a positive manner. I propose that a Forum be developed for the proper care and research of sharks in home aquaria. :idea: