Must be a slow time in the Industry...

[Kalkbreath]

The turtle and bird populations might have something to say about the greater then natural numbers of Gators belly sliding through the chad shine state.
A Shark problem is when there are too many .
Not for the swimmers but for the rest of the aquatic life sharing the shallows.

 

[clarionreef]

Its no big deal that some things rebound....given management and protection. Was this in doubt?

White sea bass off Central California are coming back also! :lol:
Whale sight seeing is taking the place of fishing party boats in migration time. They are so predictable and omnipresent that a daily run can be based on them.

If America could not save its classic species with all its 'know how and fire-power'...how could a poor country be expected to?
Actually, its not such a big deal..and is expected. How else could you justify state fish and game commissions in each and every state?
Thankfully someones doing their job right!
Steve

 

[mkirda]

A Shark problem is when there are too many .
Not for the swimmers but for the rest of the aquatic life sharing the shallows.

So who besides you has decided that there are now too many sharks?

 

[Kalkbreath]

A Shark problem is when there are too many .
Not for the swimmers but for the rest of the aquatic life sharing the shallows.

So who besides you has decided that there are now too many sharks?

Oh! Im sure if and when an official statement comes they will claim that there are too few fish and that the shark population is back where it should be. If eighty percent of the food fish are missing but 100 percent of the sharks are present..........What do you think the fate of the remaining boney fish will be?
You cant strike a ballance unless the top level predator is the last species to fully rebound.

 

[mkirda]

You cant strike a ballance unless the top level predator is the last species to fully rebound.

The official statements have all been that the populations of sharks are unchanged. That certainly doesn't support your contention.

Mike

 

[Anonymous]

A Shark problem is when there are too many .
Not for the swimmers but for the rest of the aquatic life sharing the shallows.

So who besides you has decided that there are now too many sharks?

Oh! Im sure if and when an official statement comes they will claim that there are too few fish and that the shark population is back where it should be. If eighty percent of the food fish are missing but 100 percent of the sharks are present..........What do you think the fate of the remaining boney fish will be?
You cant strike a ballance unless the top level predator is the last species to fully rebound.

er- ever hear of a feedback loop? apex predators will always arrive at a balance w/the prey population too much of either will usually get corrected in a few reproductive cycles, no intervention necessary-it's our interference that upsets the balance


but you DID already know that, anyway

 

[Kalkbreath]

Yes , and when they run out of their natural prey they seek out 14 year girls.... :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

:roll:



er-no


the problem you have is like most beachgoing morons, you anthropomorphize animals-the shark doesn't 'think' to itself that it's chasing a 14 yr old girl


nor does any attack on the beach have any relevance to the status of the 'regular prey items' on a shark's menu


it's like me saying you must not have any food in yer fridge, simply because i saw you at macdonalds


one doesn't follow the other as an even remotely logical conclusion


now quit yer trolling

 

[Kalkbreath]

I stand corrected.....sixteen year old boys today.
Maybe tomorrow it will be an adult. :wink:
Either way you need to tell the sharks why they shouldnt be eating people not me..........It seems your just making them more hungry with all your feed back loope ideas. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

i have absolutely no problem with sharks eating people-we're the ones who don't belong in the ocean

if they were coming up on land and snatching us out of our living rooms, ala SNL, that would be another story


anyone who goes in the water deserves to deal with what the water contains-just because you can do something, doesn't mean there won't be consequences-so suck it up, mmmmmkay?

 

[JeremyR]

I predict that this year there will be alot of mosquito attacks and that someone will catch west nile.

 

[mkirda]

Yes , and when they run out of their natural prey they seek out 14 year girls.... :wink:

Oh, was waiting for this one...

Destin isn't even on the same side of the state as Broward, Kalk.
How can your infamous swarming sharks migrating up to North Carolina have anything to do with a Destin shark attack? Or Cape San Blas?

Musta took a wrong turn at Albuquerque... 8O

Oh, wait... It gets even better. The Destin attack caused by a Bull shark.
Not the blacktips you saw back in March on the other side of the state...
Yet another stick of dynamite for your theory.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[clarionreef]

Teenage Boy Bitten While Fishing
Second Florida Shark Attack Comes Two Days After Girl Was Killed
By BILL KACZOR, AP


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PENSACOLA, Fla. (June 27) - A boy fishing in waist-deep water Monday was bitten and critically injured in the second shark attack on a teenager along the Florida Panhandle in three days.

Craig A. Hutto, 16, of Lebanon, Tenn., was taken to Bay Medical Center in Panama City, where his leg was amputated. He was listed in critical condition but was expected to recover, said hospital spokeswoman Christa Hild.

The boy was attacked off Cape San Blas, a popular vacation destination about 80 miles southeast of the Destin area, where Jamie Marie Daigle of Gonzales, La., was killed by a shark on Saturday. She was 14.

The boy was fishing with two friends when the shark bit him in the right thigh, nearly severing his leg, Gulf County Sheriff's Capt. Bobby Plair said.

......
This pace better cool off...
Steve

 

[Kalkbreath]

The Cape San Blas is the very bay that I have been speaking about. I did not even know thats were the latest attack was until Steve posted. Fishing off Mexico beach {the other side of the bay} Is where the baby shark thing is out of control. Go fishing in the bay and you will see...
{Sorry Mike, wrong 16 year old boy.This boy was swiming in the same exact area I was speaking about having too few fish but too many baby sharks }

 

[mkirda]

the same exact area I was speaking about having too few fish but too many baby sharks }

Nature has a way of dealing with over-population of predators.
It is called "starvation".

You have failed to provide any sort of reference to indicate that there are more sharks and less fish, other than the messianic "I am the data".
If you were to state "my opinion, based on my personal observation at such and such a time at such and such location, it appears to me that there are more sharks than before and less fish", no one could possibly complain.
But to take your observation and apply it to everywhere isn't just a bad idea - It is bad science.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[JeremyR]

Mike,

Your head has to be bloody by now.. might as well give up banging it on the wall!

 

[mkirda]

Mike,

Your head has to be bloody by now.. might as well give up banging it on the wall!

:lol:

It is important to understand something here though.

I was reading a paper a while back on observation and impressions.
The author was talking about how important it is to actually have data to back up the observations.

In the paper, he described how he had been observing a reef over a period of years. Over time, he had a rather distinct impression that a certain change was happening. However, when he went back and looked at the actual data charting the change taken by himself and others, he discovered that his impression was actually wrong. The data bore that out.

The point is, I can't argue with Kalk's impression that there are more sharks than he has ever seen before in one side of the bay at Cape San Blas. But the fact that he has this impression doesn't necessarily mean that it is true either. Only someone who has access to shark population statistics for the bay over a number of years, or decades, (if they even exist!) could say for certain whether or not the population was up or down. I can say that, for the state of Florida, the people who have access to the data has already stated that the population is not higher.

Is it strange that on one hand, I am actually defending Kalk?
No, not really. His impression is his impression.
It is, however, wrong to generalize from this across an entire region.
It is also wrong to turn an impression into a fact.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[clarionreef]

The question is simply;
Since when do predators increase without a corresponding increase in prey items?
Something must fuel the rise in apex predator population levels be they coyotes, mountain lions, grouper, great whites or bull sharks. And therefore something must fuel their prey items increase as well...
I mean, how would you sustain more predators for long without the prey doing well?

When Mexcian biologists would come to our village in Baja with pre-concieved notions of doom and depletion they were pleasantly surprised to find out that the tropical fish populations were strong.
Data? What is that... but evidence awaiting honest people to discover it. And if they never do?

It was the mismanagement and depletion of predators [...by them] that fueled the increase in tropicals like never before! Now this increase in prey would tend to bring back the predators but fishing pressure was/is so strong and universal as to counterbalance it.
Conversely, in Florida, you do not have long liners, gill netters and thousands of fisherman slaughtering the sharks on a daily basis now do you?
If there is a 'shark problem' due to an increase in normal prey...I know a few dozen Mexcian fisherman who slaughter sharks for a living and who would love to work the Florida coast for a year.
They would see a shark attack as a personal failure and as one that got past them.
In Baja....where sharks have abounded for eons...we have no more shark attacks. Yes, the wild and vast Sea of Cortez is devoid of attacks due to being devoid of ..er...sharks.
Steve

 

[JT]

So, how's business this week? Even this troublesome freshwater whoresaler from Florida hasn't been calling me like he usually does, business must be picking up.

- UncleJT

 

[Kalkbreath]

There always comes a point in which the DATA has changed, yet new data has not been gathered [Sometimes because those gatherers dont like the new reality]
The point is that data is just data. [ Putting loose poop in a box ]
You have been led by DATA to believe that Summer is a slow time for the hobby .
You have been led to beleive that collecting sharks can only lead to harm for the environment and that keeping captive sharks is an imoral act.

What if collecting sharks actualy helps the environment?

What if the Summer slow down is a self inflicked pause in sales, only affecting those stores which bring it apon themselves because they believe the data?