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I haven't found any. Randy Holmes Farley hasen't seem to be able to find any either. Check out the link I posted earlier in this thread.
Has anyone tried or heard of Eco Aqualizer??
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As I said, everything emits far-infrared (FIR) radiation. Depends on the temperature of the object, you will find that liquid helium emit very little, while a piece of black rock under the sun will give off quite a bit of it. If you have a MH bulb, it will gives off more FIR than you ever want.
Many Japanese products (e.g., water warmer/heater/thermo bottle) use this "innovative" technology. It is the very reason that I sleep better at night when my wife is in the same bed. Both of our FIR help each others feel more energized when we get up.
Many Japanese products (e.g., water warmer/heater/thermo bottle) use this "innovative" technology. It is the very reason that I sleep better at night when my wife is in the same bed. Both of our FIR help each others feel more energized when we get up.
Alright, so if 1) their "testing" was real and repeatable and 2) the skimate was removed by the skimmer section of the setup, then what we have is a device that increases the efficiency of a protein skimmer.
Can you say "ozone generator"?
I'm not saying I believe it actually works -- not until I see some real science behind it or verify it myself (and by real science, I mean that which makes logical sense to me, an experienced aquarist with a degree in astrophysics). But, is it possible that heat and magnetism could be generating a small amount of ozone? Need to take one apart to find out, but it would help explain it a little.
I can't figure it out from the website as it is loaded with nothing but "Marc Wiess" style non-sensical psuedo-science jargon meant to impress the uninformed. But perhaps one question could be answered here: They contantly refer to the north magnetic pole. What happened to the other end of your magnet? You did not discover the magnetic monopole and I don't see the ass-end of any magnets sticking out of the product, so both poles are affecting the water (not that that level of magnetism - even neodynium would have any observable effect).
Can you say "ozone generator"?
I'm not saying I believe it actually works -- not until I see some real science behind it or verify it myself (and by real science, I mean that which makes logical sense to me, an experienced aquarist with a degree in astrophysics). But, is it possible that heat and magnetism could be generating a small amount of ozone? Need to take one apart to find out, but it would help explain it a little.
I can't figure it out from the website as it is loaded with nothing but "Marc Wiess" style non-sensical psuedo-science jargon meant to impress the uninformed. But perhaps one question could be answered here: They contantly refer to the north magnetic pole. What happened to the other end of your magnet? You did not discover the magnetic monopole and I don't see the ass-end of any magnets sticking out of the product, so both poles are affecting the water (not that that level of magnetism - even neodynium would have any observable effect).
Ok, now you got my goat (so to speak). I am an MRI tech, and probably know more about magnetism and magnetic properites than many. If this could actually affect the water's quality, then why doesn't a 1.5 Tesla magnet cure leukemia? Seems to me that same principles would apply to blood as water.
Or, why wouldn't public utilities use 3 Tesla magnets to purify water going out to residential homes? Heck of a lot cheaper than their current methods, these super-conducting magnets use very little electricity after they're charged up.
Simple-it DOES NOT WORK. Magnets can not purify water any more than they could cure disease (well, perhaps pull metal fragments out of it, but then you have much bigger troubles on your hands than just unpurified water).
People have been trying to sell magnetic systems to municipal water treatment plants. I don't think any have been bought yet.
And, remember, its not just the magnet...there is also the far infrared emitting ceramic. Seperately, they don't amount to much, but togeather they can do great things.
RR :mrgreen:
And, remember, its not just the magnet...there is also the far infrared emitting ceramic. Seperately, they don't amount to much, but togeather they can do great things.
RR :mrgreen:
The thing about people trying to sell magnet systems to municipal water systems (I read) say that it is a goverment conspiracy that they won't use them. Not the plain and simple truth that they just don't work. Could this apply here also? "It's a conspiracy man! They don't want you to know the truth...yada yada yada".
Here's what a magnet can do:
#1-it can align 1% of the human bodies protons in either a parellel (north facing), or anti-parallel (south facing) direction.
#2-it can not filter out feces,urine,chemicals,protozoa, or biologic or virulent agents from anything.
#3-it can pull a O2 cylinder in it with incredible speed and force.
#4-it can pull metal objects out of a body, or torque them within the body.
#5-it can (on 3Tesla levels and higher) cause blackouts in humans if they turn their heads fast enough while in the magnetic field.
#6-rule #1, only applied to a bottle of water.
#7-magnets can generate electrical fields in the appropriate application.
To quote lifer:
You contradict yourself there. North sides of all magnets are positive, they cannot be negative. Reverse for the south end. EVERY magnet has a North/South polarity. In some hospital installations with more than one mri machine, this becomes a deciding factor on where to place each magnet-you really don't want cross-interference from each one.
#1-it can align 1% of the human bodies protons in either a parellel (north facing), or anti-parallel (south facing) direction.
#2-it can not filter out feces,urine,chemicals,protozoa, or biologic or virulent agents from anything.
#3-it can pull a O2 cylinder in it with incredible speed and force.
#4-it can pull metal objects out of a body, or torque them within the body.
#5-it can (on 3Tesla levels and higher) cause blackouts in humans if they turn their heads fast enough while in the magnetic field.
#6-rule #1, only applied to a bottle of water.
#7-magnets can generate electrical fields in the appropriate application.
To quote lifer:
You contradict yourself there. North sides of all magnets are positive, they cannot be negative. Reverse for the south end. EVERY magnet has a North/South polarity. In some hospital installations with more than one mri machine, this becomes a deciding factor on where to place each magnet-you really don't want cross-interference from each one.
Taz, you have to be careful when comparing the effect of a fixed magnet and MRI. I, too, have experience with magnet 
. But it is in the field of that was known by a less politically correct name, NMR (nuclear magnetic). People can come back and point out to you that MRI operates in the radio frequences, while a fixed magnet does not.
Regarding gov't conspiracy, there are many commerical applications that can make good use of the magnet system, such as hatchery, public aquarium, zoo, etc. The ECO folks do have an example of it application in such setting, and I am sure that if this technology truly works, commerical people will catch on. But first, ECO, IMHO, needs to do a better job in educating the consumers.
. But it is in the field of that was known by a less politically correct name, NMR (nuclear magnetic). People can come back and point out to you that MRI operates in the radio frequences, while a fixed magnet does not.Regarding gov't conspiracy, there are many commerical applications that can make good use of the magnet system, such as hatchery, public aquarium, zoo, etc. The ECO folks do have an example of it application in such setting, and I am sure that if this technology truly works, commerical people will catch on. But first, ECO, IMHO, needs to do a better job in educating the consumers.
OK....I can get on a bit all throughout today. I will try to address as many things as I can. First of, Theoretical physics and theoretical chemistry are all fine and we could all argue about things that none of us are extremely qualified for.....at the end of the day, ECO-Aqualizer works, wether you guys think its impossible or not.
When you bring up arguments about why does it not cure cancer and why do municipalities not use it, you are ignoring political aspects of these arguments. I am not into "conspiracy theory" because you could drive yourself mad with "what if this and what if that and oh no, they are after us". Ridiculus way to live your life, however, does anyone here actually believe that our government always acts in our best interests at all times? Duh. Do you think that Companies pulling in millions of dollars for research work are in a hurry to "find the cure". Where will the money come from next? I am not saying that they are not interested in a cure, but perhaps they should better not find it right away or the grant money goes away.
If you guys think our aquariums are difficult, check into politics, ego-battles between researchers and convincing governments and donors to spend millions on magnets when the new age industry is filled with quackos.
Municipalities dont use it. Why? You asked a very good question. Why don't they use it? Why are we not driving cars that use alternative fuels? Incomplete studies, politics (and more politics), and money. Is the government going to force Exxon to rip up all gas stations and make them put in Hydrogen cell stations? Can you say "trillions of dollars"? Would a municipal water facility change everything to accomidate magnetohydrodynamically cleaning water? How many Municipalities have the money to appropriate this change or even study it? Do you really think any city in the States or anywhere else would do this? Think again.
The answer to those questions is not as simple as one would think. If human kind was not so greedy, we would be eons ahead of where we are now. Do you think all the money generated by the world economy is spent on making the world a better cleaner place? Pull your head out of the sand and look around you. Probably 80% of any countries budget goes towards killing one another.
If a municipality did decide to use magnets, don't you think they would be the laughing stock of the nation. Galileo Galeli not only got laughed at for saying the Earth revolved around the Sun instead of vice-versa, he got locked up!! Maybe they will try magnets in San Francisco first. :wink: OK. Let's say that hypothetically, they did it. Where did that get them. They spent millions changing their system (Do you really think they could just scoot a magnet up to the pipe and throw some teslas at it? Think again) now people are not sure or not if the water is better no matter what scientisit tell them. "It tastes different but besides that I can't tell the difference." says John Doe. "I can't believe our tax dollars went towards that @#$#!". You can imagine the rest of that scenario.
Why don't alot of things like this happen. POLITICS. POLITICS. POLITICS. If you think this is ridiculus.....stop fooling yourselves. Why do you look towards ECO-Aqualizer for the answer to politically challenged questions that are not even in our realm of expertise? Nonsense.
A magnet CAN NOT HAVE ONE POLE. PERIOD END OF STORY. Lithium and Zoloft are used on the blade because they have next to no dielectric influence. Even if you get down to one atom...you still have poles.
Someone asked why are the butt end of the magnets not sticking out? Hello....magnets are made in many different shapes and sizes. Get a paper clip and stick it to our units. It sticks!
We have done a lot of work on what strength Gauss to use. How small a tube can we use without getting a big Gauss drop-off. Speed of the water passing through. etc.... I get angry when critics that have not used the product say it is an ill concieved thing. That, my friends, is hogwash. You do not known, nor will you likely ever, understand the work that went in to creating this product and testing it. It is proprietary information. If you can't understand this, then you don't understand how many people are out there, ready to copy a good idea (or even a bad idea for that matter).
We are talking with several hatcheries, zoos, and pub aquariums right now and some are trying it. Every one of them is a seperate battle because they are skeptical like most of you guys. Great!! I don't blame them. I was very skeptical when I first heard about it!!! I tried it. It worked and continues to work.
Tazdevil. You have a list of things magnets can do. OK. Do you have a list of what magnets used in concert with FIR can do? Nope.
About the pH stability thing this is a Sam theory. He is working on all these things. Also, if you work with Mags then you know about the confusion of North/South, positive/negative, Chineses use reverse etc. If you don't, study more.
WHAT DOES A 1.5 TESLA MAG CURING LUEKEMIA HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH ION TRANSFER OF DISSOLVED ORGANICS???????????
OZONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ECO-AQUALIZER.
ECO-Aqualizer does increase DO dissolution. Our unproven theory is ( and tell me if you can prove it) that the removal of DOC's is causing the water molecule, once laden with extra junk, to become more reactive. This means that Oxygen could be spread more readily by water molecules that can react with it quicker.
YES, THERE IS SUCH A WORD AS TETRAHEDRALITY AND REACTIVE WATER.
Why do we make up words as humans? So we can better describe things. Just because you have never heard the word does not mean it is unvalid or wrong.
Everyone says our website is full of mumbo jumbo technospeak. We actually get a majority of customers that say it is not. Just because you know little about what is said does not make it wrong. And honestly, what would you expect our website to say??
"The stinky stuff goes in and good stuff comes out" ??????
Some of you critic would be all over that like a hungry channel cat on stinkbait!!
Some of you liken us to Marc Wiess. Our product is attempting to pull this hobby out of the quagmire of mystery chemicals and the like. As a matter of fact, Marc Weiss probably hates our product because it is anti-chemical use. Your statement could not be further from the truth.
Are some of you critics out there really so cheap that you would not try something that costs as much as a nice coral that has a 6 month guarantee!?!? If you return it, we actually lose money! We pay return shipping and get charged 3% or so for transaction. ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED IN TRYING ECO FOR THEMSELVES CAN GO TO OUR PRODUCT PAGE, ENTER "OCEANS11" IN THE DISCOUNT BOX, AND RECIEVE 20% OFF.
Some of you, in attempts to save your EGO, may order it, not use it or use it improperly or unfairly and return it saying that it does not work. WE DON'T CARE. WE DO NOT ARGUE WITH RETURNS. WE PAY FOR IT TO BE SHIPPED BACK TO US!!
We would suggest to get a daily baseline reading of pH, ORP, DO, calcium, and perhaps nitrogen compounds before you put ECO on your tank. Then put it on and what it stabilize while you perform LESS maintenance on your tank. No maintenance? NO. Less maintenance? Yes.
For the stuanch critics: If you purchase ECO and don't at least perform testing fairly, you are no better then me about providing info.
Some of you demand an explanation for the exact dynamics. We are not here to try to explain how the Earth was created. We will not pretend to fully understand something that the scientific community does not fully understand either. We are several hobbyists and a bio-chemist with great vision. I can tell you however that ECO affects aquarium inhabitants in a positive way. Why? We are working on that but we will not be the ones with those answers. Billy Bob pH.D., M.D., MSCI etc. etc. will when the political BS and EGO wars subside and magnetic flux properties can actually be worked out better.
DID ANY NEW CONCEPT JUST GLIDE ON IN AN BECOME ACCEPTED? nope. People have been burned, ridiculed, de-liscenced, dis-credited, dragged through the streets and on for ideas and beliefs they had which where found to be true decades or centuries later.
Open your minds so when something new does come along, you are not passed by with your thumb up your nose. Am I saying try everything that comes along going broke in the process and your tank is still at square one? NO. Understand natural principles and attempt to apply them to our hobby. Why do we ignore what the Earth does around us in favor of man made technology. Earth made man (or GOD or something/someone). Man did not create himself. There are so many natural occurances and what not that are not understood. We think that we know so much nowadays that every thing that is new is hogwash. The human race will probably die with many unanswered questions because of close-minded fools that think they know everything.
Yet I digress because this post is way too long. I thank everyone that reads it in its entirety.
When you bring up arguments about why does it not cure cancer and why do municipalities not use it, you are ignoring political aspects of these arguments. I am not into "conspiracy theory" because you could drive yourself mad with "what if this and what if that and oh no, they are after us". Ridiculus way to live your life, however, does anyone here actually believe that our government always acts in our best interests at all times? Duh. Do you think that Companies pulling in millions of dollars for research work are in a hurry to "find the cure". Where will the money come from next? I am not saying that they are not interested in a cure, but perhaps they should better not find it right away or the grant money goes away.
If you guys think our aquariums are difficult, check into politics, ego-battles between researchers and convincing governments and donors to spend millions on magnets when the new age industry is filled with quackos.
Municipalities dont use it. Why? You asked a very good question. Why don't they use it? Why are we not driving cars that use alternative fuels? Incomplete studies, politics (and more politics), and money. Is the government going to force Exxon to rip up all gas stations and make them put in Hydrogen cell stations? Can you say "trillions of dollars"? Would a municipal water facility change everything to accomidate magnetohydrodynamically cleaning water? How many Municipalities have the money to appropriate this change or even study it? Do you really think any city in the States or anywhere else would do this? Think again.
The answer to those questions is not as simple as one would think. If human kind was not so greedy, we would be eons ahead of where we are now. Do you think all the money generated by the world economy is spent on making the world a better cleaner place? Pull your head out of the sand and look around you. Probably 80% of any countries budget goes towards killing one another.
If a municipality did decide to use magnets, don't you think they would be the laughing stock of the nation. Galileo Galeli not only got laughed at for saying the Earth revolved around the Sun instead of vice-versa, he got locked up!! Maybe they will try magnets in San Francisco first. :wink: OK. Let's say that hypothetically, they did it. Where did that get them. They spent millions changing their system (Do you really think they could just scoot a magnet up to the pipe and throw some teslas at it? Think again) now people are not sure or not if the water is better no matter what scientisit tell them. "It tastes different but besides that I can't tell the difference." says John Doe. "I can't believe our tax dollars went towards that @#$#!". You can imagine the rest of that scenario.
Why don't alot of things like this happen. POLITICS. POLITICS. POLITICS. If you think this is ridiculus.....stop fooling yourselves. Why do you look towards ECO-Aqualizer for the answer to politically challenged questions that are not even in our realm of expertise? Nonsense.
A magnet CAN NOT HAVE ONE POLE. PERIOD END OF STORY. Lithium and Zoloft are used on the blade because they have next to no dielectric influence. Even if you get down to one atom...you still have poles.
Someone asked why are the butt end of the magnets not sticking out? Hello....magnets are made in many different shapes and sizes. Get a paper clip and stick it to our units. It sticks!
We have done a lot of work on what strength Gauss to use. How small a tube can we use without getting a big Gauss drop-off. Speed of the water passing through. etc.... I get angry when critics that have not used the product say it is an ill concieved thing. That, my friends, is hogwash. You do not known, nor will you likely ever, understand the work that went in to creating this product and testing it. It is proprietary information. If you can't understand this, then you don't understand how many people are out there, ready to copy a good idea (or even a bad idea for that matter).
We are talking with several hatcheries, zoos, and pub aquariums right now and some are trying it. Every one of them is a seperate battle because they are skeptical like most of you guys. Great!! I don't blame them. I was very skeptical when I first heard about it!!! I tried it. It worked and continues to work.
Tazdevil. You have a list of things magnets can do. OK. Do you have a list of what magnets used in concert with FIR can do? Nope.
About the pH stability thing this is a Sam theory. He is working on all these things. Also, if you work with Mags then you know about the confusion of North/South, positive/negative, Chineses use reverse etc. If you don't, study more.
WHAT DOES A 1.5 TESLA MAG CURING LUEKEMIA HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH ION TRANSFER OF DISSOLVED ORGANICS???????????
OZONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ECO-AQUALIZER.
ECO-Aqualizer does increase DO dissolution. Our unproven theory is ( and tell me if you can prove it) that the removal of DOC's is causing the water molecule, once laden with extra junk, to become more reactive. This means that Oxygen could be spread more readily by water molecules that can react with it quicker.
YES, THERE IS SUCH A WORD AS TETRAHEDRALITY AND REACTIVE WATER.
Why do we make up words as humans? So we can better describe things. Just because you have never heard the word does not mean it is unvalid or wrong.
Everyone says our website is full of mumbo jumbo technospeak. We actually get a majority of customers that say it is not. Just because you know little about what is said does not make it wrong. And honestly, what would you expect our website to say??
"The stinky stuff goes in and good stuff comes out" ??????
Some of you critic would be all over that like a hungry channel cat on stinkbait!!
Some of you liken us to Marc Wiess. Our product is attempting to pull this hobby out of the quagmire of mystery chemicals and the like. As a matter of fact, Marc Weiss probably hates our product because it is anti-chemical use. Your statement could not be further from the truth.
Are some of you critics out there really so cheap that you would not try something that costs as much as a nice coral that has a 6 month guarantee!?!? If you return it, we actually lose money! We pay return shipping and get charged 3% or so for transaction. ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED IN TRYING ECO FOR THEMSELVES CAN GO TO OUR PRODUCT PAGE, ENTER "OCEANS11" IN THE DISCOUNT BOX, AND RECIEVE 20% OFF.
Some of you, in attempts to save your EGO, may order it, not use it or use it improperly or unfairly and return it saying that it does not work. WE DON'T CARE. WE DO NOT ARGUE WITH RETURNS. WE PAY FOR IT TO BE SHIPPED BACK TO US!!
We would suggest to get a daily baseline reading of pH, ORP, DO, calcium, and perhaps nitrogen compounds before you put ECO on your tank. Then put it on and what it stabilize while you perform LESS maintenance on your tank. No maintenance? NO. Less maintenance? Yes.
For the stuanch critics: If you purchase ECO and don't at least perform testing fairly, you are no better then me about providing info.
Some of you demand an explanation for the exact dynamics. We are not here to try to explain how the Earth was created. We will not pretend to fully understand something that the scientific community does not fully understand either. We are several hobbyists and a bio-chemist with great vision. I can tell you however that ECO affects aquarium inhabitants in a positive way. Why? We are working on that but we will not be the ones with those answers. Billy Bob pH.D., M.D., MSCI etc. etc. will when the political BS and EGO wars subside and magnetic flux properties can actually be worked out better.
DID ANY NEW CONCEPT JUST GLIDE ON IN AN BECOME ACCEPTED? nope. People have been burned, ridiculed, de-liscenced, dis-credited, dragged through the streets and on for ideas and beliefs they had which where found to be true decades or centuries later.
Open your minds so when something new does come along, you are not passed by with your thumb up your nose. Am I saying try everything that comes along going broke in the process and your tank is still at square one? NO. Understand natural principles and attempt to apply them to our hobby. Why do we ignore what the Earth does around us in favor of man made technology. Earth made man (or GOD or something/someone). Man did not create himself. There are so many natural occurances and what not that are not understood. We think that we know so much nowadays that every thing that is new is hogwash. The human race will probably die with many unanswered questions because of close-minded fools that think they know everything.
Yet I digress because this post is way too long. I thank everyone that reads it in its entirety.
OK, I read your reply in its entirity. So anybody has the explaination for the decrease in conductivity that you observed?
As far as I know, conductivity of a solution can be calculated and measured well. Pretty much all abnormality in the measured and calculated value has to do with instrument/user error.
As far as I know, conductivity of a solution can be calculated and measured well. Pretty much all abnormality in the measured and calculated value has to do with instrument/user error.
Lifer":2hnt095w said:
What can I say. Your conspiracy thoeries do little to inspire faith in your product from a group of experienced aquarists who are rightly skeptical, having seen many a "snake oil" product come and go over the years.
You will find that, at least on this board, "It works" is not a sufficient explanation to get us to "jump on the bandwagon." We want to know how and why it works in reasonable and logical terms before we will be convinced that is does work. Until that happens, you should expect skepticism. Conspiracy theories will only weaken your reputation, not strengthen it.
Lifer":2hnt095w said:
Actually, by that time the Catholic church had pretty much accepted Copernican theory as it was the only model that explained the orbit of Mercury. But since it did contradict with their teachings at the time, they asked Galileo on several occasions not to widely disseminate his results until they could slowly alter their teachings to agree. Galileo felt this was unreasonable censorship and ignored the church's edicts.
Please do not insult our intelligence by comparing yourself to Galileo.
Lifer":2hnt095w said:
You think again, isn't that what you are asking us to do by adopting your product "case unproven?"
Lifer":2hnt095w said:
That was a joke. Lithium and Zoloft are drugs used to treat bipolar disorder. Magnetic poles... bipolar... Get it?
Lifer":2hnt095w said:
I have a good understanding of physics and I can spot B.S. when I see it. I don't suppose it's occurred to you that those who don't complain are the ones who don't understand it?
Lifer":2hnt095w said:
I have already ordered one (full price -- I ordered it before you posted the discount code). I will run some of our own tests and post results here. Just do a search on me (mattm) or Tom (mickav8r) and you will see we have a long history of objectively testing and sometimes debunking products. And I don't expect to return it because we will probably do an autopsy after the testing is complete.
I have been sitting here LMAO because of Lifer's explanation of why they use Lithium and Zoloft on the blade. To tell you the truth I really can't stop laughing about it. That alone will put a smile on my face all day.
But anyway Lifer is trying to tell us why this works and offers up why Zoloft and Lithium will work for cutting magnets, so doesn't this tell you he\she would try to offer up an explanation for just about anything. Regardless of whether he\she knows anything about the subject or not.
But anyway Lifer is trying to tell us why this works and offers up why Zoloft and Lithium will work for cutting magnets, so doesn't this tell you he\she would try to offer up an explanation for just about anything. Regardless of whether he\she knows anything about the subject or not.
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