Has anyone tried or heard of Eco Aqualizer??

[Lifer]

This is a waste of my time. You guys don't have a clue. Sales are very good right now. I realize that I am too busy to get stuck in this quagmire. I wish you all good luck. Ciao.

 

[MattM]

Or, more accurately, we have too many clues to be taken in...

Sayonara!

 

[Mogo]

Ciao.

 

[JeremyR]

The magnetic water treatment thing is interesting that matt brought up. The place I got my drip irrigation system from sells magnetic water purification thingies that are sposed to reduce scale and lime buildup.. one magnet can totally clean your house water according to them, and keep your irrigation system from clogging up. I didn't buy it.

 

[Anonymous]

"Don't confuse me with the facts!"

classic :lol:

"Sales are good" or as David hannum said

"A sucker is born every minute" :roll:

 

[Jime]

Righty,
I find it hard to believe that you think that you could give an objective review of this product. Do you read your posts. From the beginning you have labelled this product as a scam, snake-oil and a couple of other colorful names. You even dismiss the return policy. Have you any information at all that will back any of your claims regarding this product or it's return policy. And I mean scientific information that has been published because anything short of that is just "hearsay". People seem to be using this product with results, you dismiss them, FAMA and others have reviewed the product with positive results, you dismiss them, FAMA has published an article on the effects of magnetism on water, dismissed! Eco offers a 6 month money back guarantee, you dismiss as being too big a hassle. How do you know it's a hassle to return? Did you buy a Thigh Master and have a hard time returning it? Aol wouldn't let you cancel your subscription? How does that relate to ECO-Aqualizer? I guess your mind is made up. You sound like an angry man with a vendetta against ECO-Aqualizer. Did the unsolicited email from Ben Johnson upset you that much?
Since when do we only rely on "SCIENTIFIC evidence" in this hobby? There is no scientific evidence that I can find on any of the equipment that I own, how bout you. When we post a question about what skimmer works best people share their personal experiences with us and most of us don't ask for proof. Does a Seaclone work better then a Euroreef, Where's the scientific evidence? I think a 6 month return policy says a lot about the confidence this company has in it's product. Who else offers this kind of return policy? Lifereef, Euroreef, Aqua Logic, nobody that I know of.
Sorry for the rant. Righty, you can have your soapbox back now.

 

[Anonymous]

Since when do we only rely on "SCIENTIFIC evidence" in this hobby? There is no scientific evidence that I can find on any of the equipment that I own, how bout you. When we post a question about what skimmer works best people share their personal experiences with us and most of us don't ask for proof. Does a Seaclone work better then a Euroreef, Where's the scientific evidence?

We CAN provide scientific evidence of HOW a protein skimmer works. I suggest you pick up Escobal's book. It was written using REAL SCIENCE.

Comparing the difference of a Seaclone and a Euroreef can be explained scientifically, one inducts more air than the other and it's something that can be showed scientifically if we wanted to but we don't need to because the science behind the concept of foam fractionation is SOUND. This argument cannot apply to the Eco product because there is no valid peer reviewed science to be found.

FAMA and others have reviewed the product with positive results, you dismiss them, FAMA has published an article on the effects of magnetism on water, dismissed!

I'm sorry FAMA is a hobbyist publication and NOT IMO a scientific peer reviewd journal. Do you honestly think that publication in FAMA is the same as being published in JAMA? PAH-LEEZE :roll:

 

[Jime]

Yes but does a Seaclone work better then a Euroreef CS12-2?
BTW I would love to see the link to the scientific evidence of HOW a protein skimmer works because like others on this thread I won't believe it unless I see the PROOF!

 

[Jime]

Even then I might dismiss it as snake oil... The burden of proof is pretty high..
Has JAMA wriiten anythinf on ECO?

 

[tazdevil]

marked for archiving

 

[Anonymous]

I'm sure the makers of Seaclone and Euroreef would gladly be able to tell you how any protein skimmer, and theirs in particular, works. Real science includes complete disclosure so that others can independently repeat the results. The fact that Lifer has trouble explaining WHY the product his company makes works is, IMO, what many people have a problem with.

 

[Anonymous]

I would like to work for your company. If you are ever looking for new people (sounds like you are, since sales is up...), please drop me a line. I am willing to relocate, and my salary requirement is not very demanding. Thank you for your time.

 

[Micah00]

Jime as I stated before everyone who endorses this product is getting paid. Do you think Tiger Woods is always cruises around in a Buick or for that matter even ever thought of paying for one. But in fact he will tell you it is the best auto maker around. Do you think he would do that for free?
In the July issue of FAMA this product is reviewed by Charles Mathews M.D. who writes the reef science column. He states everything that has been stated here and says it's bunk. Then you turn the page and there you have an advertisment for none other than the ECO- Aquqlizer.
Bottom line is there has been 10 fold the information (scientific) that supports why this won't work. All I have seen in favor is loose worded mumbo jumbo. I mean they told us why you have to use Zoloft to cut a magnet and why you have to hydrocodone in a cell phone. Then tells us that it employs a watch battery size magnet, I don't know what kind they use but the ones I have will barely hold a picture on my refrigerator.
I just want to see what kind of results MattM comes up with then I may have to stick my foot in my mouth or maybe get so mad I put some lithium on my chainsaw and cut down a tree. But I wager probally not.

 

[Anonymous]

I would like to address the issue of the return policy. I'm something of an expert at returns and return policies (hey, I'm a shopper!), and am very familiar with recourse should a company refuse to honor their return policy (even if their policy is no returns).

In a nutshell, even if you paid using the most generous credit card issuer on the planet, American Express, once you get outside of that three month/90 day window, you are SKEE-REWED. You eat it, good luck getting the company to make good on their offer. Pay using a check or money order (just plain dumb)??? You deserve the ridicule and looks you're likely to glean. The next generation of payment methods (courtesy the world wide web), Paypal?? 30 days, take it or leave it.

You will have to take the company to court to get your money back, and even with a judgement and lien, you will have to wait until they actually sell the company to realize your claim (enforcement issues are a real pain).

So, in my opinion, outside of the three months my credit card company will allow me, I will not trust anything else as far as I can throw it.

 

[Micah00]

Also one more thing about the article by Bob Goemans is not an article or in his column. It is a 2 page advertisement for this product, with the first page being made to look like an article it's in TFH also. His column is Sand Mail in FAMA where people ask him questions like:
Dear Bob,
I have been having problems with algea in my tank. I don't know what's going on. I have 5 damsels and I feed them a flat pack of mysis shimp every 2 days and add a can of flake food and Doritos on the week-end for an added treat. I have no skimmer or anyway to really move water except everytime I walk by the tank I swirl the water with some serious tornado action. Please help.
L.....
Via Internet

 

[Anonymous]

This is a waste of my time. You guys don't have a clue. Sales are very good right now. I realize that I am too busy to get stuck in this quagmire. I wish you all good luck. Ciao.

I am shocked, but no suprised at this turn of events. I am however, surpised by the parting low blow.

Sales are also very good for magnetic healing bands, miracle fat loss pills and psychic surgery is booming in the Phillipines.

 

[Anonymous]

Righty,
I find it hard to believe that you think that you could give an objective review of this product. Do you read your posts. From the beginning you have labelled this product as a scam, snake-oil and a couple of other colorful names.

Never for a minute did I think they would actually send me one. My whole reason for pushing for a free one was to counter his 'buy one and try it, its safe, trust me' scamy sounding sales pitch. Cons sure sound good until you push for answers. Case in point, see lifers last post.

What you also fail to realize is that if given proof that this thing works, I would do a complete 180 and support it. I can change my mind. I do not back myself into a corner of belief and defend that belief regardless of new information given. That's not science, that's being a jerk. Yes, I think it is a scam and am not willing to spend money on it, but if they sent me one for free I would do my darnest to make it work. If I didn't I would only be undermining my position.

You even dismiss the return policy. Have you any information at all that will back any of your claims regarding this product or it's return policy.

All I have is real world experience with trying to return items. I dismiss all return policies as irrelevant because there has always been problems or huge hoops to jump through to get money back.

They are asking me to trust them and buy one. I was asking them to trust me and send me one. I don't know why I should trust them if they wont trust me. After all, they are the ones making extraordinary claims.

Have you any information at all that will back any of your claims regarding this product or it's return policy. And I mean scientific information that has been published because anything short of that is just "hearsay".

See many of the recent posts in this thread.

People seem to be using this product with results, you dismiss them, FAMA and others have reviewed the product with positive results, you dismiss them, FAMA has published an article on the effects of magnetism on water, dismissed!

You betcha. Do you believe everything you read?
I have my own mind capable of making decisions based on the evidence given to me. If I think that evidence is the bunk, I don't buy the product. Many people are using Marc Weiss products, Combisan, and Kick Ich with 'results', and there are articles to support them.

Eco offers a 6 month money back guarantee, you dismiss as being too big a hassle. How do you know it's a hassle to return? Did you buy a Thigh Master and have a hard time returning it? Aol wouldn't let you cancel your subscription? How does that relate to ECO-Aqualizer?

Because they are all sales pitches designed to get our money. Companies design return systems to be a hassle because they know that most people will just give up trying to get their money back.

I guess your mind is made up. You sound like an angry man with a vendetta against ECO-Aqualizer. Did the unsolicited email from Ben Johnson upset you that much?

Wow, you sure read a lot of emotion that I am not feeling into what I write. I will endeavor to use more emotocons. :wink:

Since when do we only rely on "SCIENTIFIC evidence" in this hobby?

Often and whenever we can.

There is no scientific evidence that I can find on any of the equipment that I own, how bout you.

Yep. Many books published in this hobby contain such evidence. There are many scientific articles in the RDO library, and in the online mags.

When we post a question about what skimmer works best people share their personal experiences with us and most of us don't ask for proof.

So because you don't ask for it, the proof doesn't exist?
Foam fractionation is a well known and well evidenced process.

Does a Seaclone work better then a Euroreef, Where's the scientific evidence?

I remember reading just such a study when looking for a new skimmer - sorry I cant remember the link. It was a comparison of 4 or 5 skimmers and it was very well done and very helpful.

I think a 6 month return policy says a lot about the confidence this company has in it's product. Who else offers this kind of return policy?

Any company that is trying to scam you out of your money. Watch any infomercial and you will see even better return policies!

Lifereef, Euroreef, Aqua Logic, nobody that I know of.

That’s because they aren't trying to 'sweeten the deal' to get you to buy their products.

Sorry for the rant. Righty, you can have your soapbox back now.

Thanks. I am sorry that you feel so much anger towards me. I am trying my best to be straightforward and thorough in these discussions. I am sorry that you have taken that to mean I am a weenie.
I am sure that you will believe my responses to you to be vindictive and in anger. Please believe me when I say they aren't. :mrgreen:

 

[Jime]

[/quote]All I have is real world experience with trying to return items. I dismiss all return policies as irrelevant because there has always been problems or huge hoops to jump through to get money back.

I too have real world experience with returning unwanted items and have never had any problems.

Because they are all sales pitches designed to get our money. Companies design return systems to be a hassle because they know that most people will just give up trying to get their money back.

Doesn't sound like good business hassling your customers. They say a happy customer will tell a friend an unhappy customer will tell 10 friends.

Often and whenever we can.

You made a bold claim that this product doesn't work, (you added that "IMO" after the fact didn't you?) I'm still waiting for the scientific proof that this thing doesn't work. I think I asked for it clear back on page 1.

Foam fractionation is a well known and well evidenced process.

I don't deny that it is well known, I have one, and I don't doubt the science behind it, what I'm asking for is the link to the "scientific" proof that one skimmer works better then another from a real scientist, You've set the burden of proof pretty high.

I remember reading just such a study when looking for a new skimmer - sorry I cant remember the link. It was a comparison of 4 or 5 skimmers and it was very well done and very helpful.

And I should believe you because....

You asked me if I believe everything I read, I sure don't.

Any company that is trying to scam you out of your money. Watch any infomercial and you will see even better return policies!

Again with the infomercial, you did buy a Thigh Master didn't you? When it didn't work you tried to return it and they wouldn't take it back, and now you don't trust anyone or anything. BTW Nordstroms has one of the best return polices that I know of. I see their policy as a reflection of the confidence they have in their products and service. I could be wrong. What sends up a red flag for me is "all sales final".

Thanks. I am sorry that you feel so much anger towards me

Not anger just disbelieve and disgust that you would slander a company without posting any scientific evidence or personal experience that would back your claims. I will give you the last word.

 

[Jime]

Damn, I got my quotes screwed up.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes but does a Seaclone work better then a Euroreef CS12-2?
BTW I would love to see the link to the scientific evidence of HOW a protein skimmer works because like others on this thread I won't believe it unless I see the PROOF!

Easy - can't post it here because it's copyrighted work and I don't have permission - but it's all right here



abstract "This book is not for the faint of heart. The author, who worked on the Apollo program and for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, has applied scientific method and sound engineering principles to aquarium equipment. As an example, the section on protein skimmers includes the mathematical formulas to determine bubble size, air volume, bubble density and rise time. This work also includes an excellent section on ulraviolet sterilizers."

as I said buy the book it explains it all in very direct scientific terms not psuedo-science jargon meant to wow the uninformed.