Zero Degrees of Separation

[clarionreef]

Like drop shipping out of a trailer PARKED ON THE STREET in front of 6th Avenue Aquarium in SF?

 

[Anonymous]

What do you all think about manufacturers selling direct?

Depends on the circumstances IMO.

 

[Raskal311]

What do you all think about manufacturers selling direct?

It’s fine if the pricing structure is fair. There must be a clear difference in MSRP and wholesale price.

 

[clarionreef]

In livestock would that would translate as well?
I mean selling a coral beauty for 9 dollars to stores and 24.99 to the public?

 

[Raskal311]

In livestock would that would translate as well?
I mean selling a coral beauty for 9 dollars to stores and 24.99 to the public?

Personally yes, as long as there is a clear difference I don't care. The issue I have is slightly different then the subject posted.

 

[Raskal311]

However I will add that if I can get an equivalent product else where I will.

 

[Anonymous]

In livestock would that would translate as well?
I mean selling a coral beauty for 9 dollars to stores and 24.99 to the public?

Apparently only matters when it comes to Blue Zoo/PAF :roll:

I have a local store that basically can compete with Blue Zoo on most of their items when you factor in shipping. I think it would be a much bigger issue if Blue Zoo was selling those Coral Beauty's at the same price to the general public as PAF did to its wholesale customers.

 

[Raskal311]

In livestock would that would translate as well?
I mean selling a coral beauty for 9 dollars to stores and 24.99 to the public?

Apparently only matters when it comes to Blue Zoo/PAF :roll:

I have a local store that basically can compete with Blue Zoo on most of their items when you factor in shipping. I think it would be a much bigger issue if Blue Zoo was selling those Coral Beauty's at the same price to the general public as PAF did to its wholesale customers.

To an extent they are; just visit them on a Sunday and you’ll know what I mean.

 

[aquaticvet1]

PAF began selling direct with Reefermadness long before anyone spoke of a recession.

I think all wholesalers should come clean as did PAF( Dave) and simply sell direct via the internet.There is no need for the extra steps in livestock distribution and many of the small box retail stores are on their way out anyway. PAF and Bluezoo merely expedited the process and I am glad to see Steve and others endorse their efforts.

 

[clarionreef]

The market has gone to the dogs and I am just observing the irony in one side calling the kettle black. In the everything is fair and justified in love and war notions being acted upon...what chance for reason is there?

The argument for chaos and dis-order is an interesting one. I mean its been around but rarely has it had a vocal proponent.
Steve

 

[aquaticvet1]

Endorse change, do not be scared of it.

 

[clarionreef]

Endorse chaos and dis-order as "change"?
Every one for themselves ?
dog eat dog ?
Burn the down the churches ?

Endorse?

 

[dizzy]

Endorse change, do not be scared of it.

Change you can believe in.

 

[aquaticvet1]

You can believe in PAF, they are a changin things.

 

[dizzy]

Come gather round people wherever you roam
And admit that the waters around you have grown
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth saving
Then you'd better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone
For the times, they are a changing

 

[Anonymous]

It would be really cool if this conversation didn't get silly.

 

[dizzy]

Well if you're hoping for a pissing match I'm sure it can be arranged.

 

[Anonymous]

I am hoping for a not pissing match and a not non related political discussion.

 

[aquaticvet1]

I am fully supportive of wholesalers selling direct to the consumer. They should be honest about it though, just as PAF/BlueZoo is now. Might even be better for the livestock to suffer less shipping stress and acclimations, how about that????

Plenty of online information for livestock care, written by true experts. So I do not get punished, I will not mention which online site has excellent livestock care and video information.

 

[PeterIMA]

The problem with wholesalers selling direct to hobbyists off the internet is that it puts local wholesalers and retailers out of business. That works for a few (large wholesalers/etailers) at the expense of many. The flaw is that we need local retailers, if we expect the aquarium hobby to grow. With fewer stores there will be fewer hobbyists and a shrinking market. The recession is already making this happen as pet stores go bankrupt. After the recession the arguement is that the survivors will have more market share. But, the market (number of hobbyists) is also shrinking. Many people still like to see what they are buying, especially when it comes to life product (like fish and corals). But, the kids playing nintendo on computers are not becoming aquarium hobbyists. In the end, that is what we all should fear.

There is a limit to lowballing and price reductions that are driving this downward spiral. Having a clear separation between wholesale and retail worked in the past, and eventually may have to be reinstated (in some form) to allow the industry to regain its profitability.

Peter Rubec