anyone game for a build off?

[Anonymous]

M'kay I'm tracking with you now...

 

[Anonymous]

So someone who can have exactly the same livestock thriving but with $1 of rock and sand get no extra credit?

What if the equipment used is not available at whatever retailer's price list.

How about diy?


And are we still limited to the 10g? So the person who is capable of setting up a 55g for $250 not counting livestock is still limited to a 10g? But someone who spends say $225 of a 10g is considered just as good?

And how about maintenence costs? Do those factor into the system anywhere?

And finally how about salt costs. After all shouldn't someone be really really rewarded if they support the same livestock for $2 in salt costs over 6 months whereas someone else spends $50 for salt in the same time supporting the same livestock?

 

[Anonymous]

Podman do you have any suggestions that will help equalize someone like you who could just stock up a 10 gallon tank from their main tank and me who would have to purchase everything. Your tank will cost a fraction of mine and yours could be fully stocked and mine pretty bare.

first off, i want to reitterate my belief that money won't prevail in this competition. if you only have 30 dollars for inverts i think you can win if that thirty is spent right and presented at it's best.

as for me, i actually have very little in my tank now but have shared frags with others in the past and will rely on them to hook me up in this competition. i am not planning an packing the tank with assorted verts.
if i can ask you something personal... do you have a tank now?

 

[Anonymous]

place basic limits on the equipment- this doesnt have to be state of the art, and I'll wager MOST of us, at least the ones discussing this at the moment, have much of the equipment they would use already sitting in the closets.

Wouldn't the maximum dollar limit on equipment automatically do that? In other words you can't "buy" a Ca reactor and Tunze skimmer and wavemaker and 500w MH pendant and stay under the allowed dollar amount so it limits itself...FWIW

who would put these on a nano?

 

[Anonymous]

Podman do you have any suggestions that will help equalize someone like you who could just stock up a 10 gallon tank from their main tank and me who would have to purchase everything. Your tank will cost a fraction of mine and yours could be fully stocked and mine pretty bare.

first off, i want to reitterate my belief that money won't prevail in this competition. if you only have 30 dollars for inverts i think you can win if that thirty is spent right and presented at it's best.

as for me, i actually have very little in my tank now but have shared frags with others in the past and will rely on them to hook me up in this competition. i am not planning an packing the tank with assorted verts.
if i can ask you something personal... do you have a tank now?

I do not have a tank now. I shut down my tanks over 4 years ago when we moved into our new house.

 

[Anonymous]

i was talking with a reefer buddy this AM and he has shown interest in this contest if the options are opened up to include more than 10g standards.
he has been considering a nano for some time but wants something more interesting than a STD 10g.

i would think this would be the case with most people... i personally don't want to build this tank for the sole purpose of this competition.. i hope too keep it running afterwards.

 

[Anonymous]

So someone who can have exactly the same livestock thriving but with $1 of rock and sand get no extra credit?

What if the equipment used is not available at whatever retailer's price list.

How about diy?


And are we still limited to the 10g? So the person who is capable of setting up a 55g for $250 not counting livestock is still limited to a 10g? But someone who spends say $225 of a 10g is considered just as good?

And how about maintenence costs? Do those factor into the system anywhere?

And finally how about salt costs. After all shouldn't someone be really really rewarded if they support the same livestock for $2 in salt costs over 6 months whereas someone else spends $50 for salt in the same time supporting the same livestock?

we'll have a set list of acceptable, usable equipment, that is generally expected to be in a reef keepers closet collecting dust- DIY is welcome to be used of course.
we set 10 gallon, because of time allotments, and space restraints- besides at 8 bucks for a 10 gallon tank, its not gonna kill anybody's budget.

 

[Anonymous]

place basic limits on the equipment- this doesnt have to be state of the art, and I'll wager MOST of us, at least the ones discussing this at the moment, have much of the equipment they would use already sitting in the closets.

Wouldn't the maximum dollar limit on equipment automatically do that? In other words you can't "buy" a Ca reactor and Tunze skimmer and wavemaker and 500w MH pendant and stay under the allowed dollar amount so it limits itself...FWIW

who would put these on a nano?

(stamps her foot)

You KNOW what I meant!

 

[Anonymous]

My thinking of the dollar tracking is not for setting limits. I think this should be open to anybody and size any dollar limit. I would just like the dollar cost available to the judges as something to consider when picking the finalists.

 

[Anonymous]

So someone who can have exactly the same livestock thriving but with $1 of rock and sand get no extra credit?

What if the equipment used is not available at whatever retailer's price list.

How about diy?


And are we still limited to the 10g? So the person who is capable of setting up a 55g for $250 not counting livestock is still limited to a 10g? But someone who spends say $225 of a 10g is considered just as good?

And how about maintenence costs? Do those factor into the system anywhere?

And finally how about salt costs. After all shouldn't someone be really really rewarded if they support the same livestock for $2 in salt costs over 6 months whereas someone else spends $50 for salt in the same time supporting the same livestock?

this is the perfect example of how i think this will get complicated if we have a ceiling on purchases.

 

[Anonymous]

My thinking of the dollar tracking is not for setting limits. I think this should be open to anybody and size any dollar limit. I would just like the dollar cost available to the judges as something to consider when picking the finalists.

Oh, okay! That does make sense!

 

[Anonymous]

So someone who can have exactly the same livestock thriving but with $1 of rock and sand get no extra credit?

What if the equipment used is not available at whatever retailer's price list.

How about diy?


And are we still limited to the 10g? So the person who is capable of setting up a 55g for $250 not counting livestock is still limited to a 10g? But someone who spends say $225 of a 10g is considered just as good?

And how about maintenence costs? Do those factor into the system anywhere?

And finally how about salt costs. After all shouldn't someone be really really rewarded if they support the same livestock for $2 in salt costs over 6 months whereas someone else spends $50 for salt in the same time supporting the same livestock?

this is the perfect example of how i think this will get complicated if we have a ceiling on purchases.

if ite that way, then whos to say someone just didnt use pics from their display tank?

 

[Anonymous]

My thinking of the dollar tracking is not for setting limits. I think this should be open to anybody and size any dollar limit. I would just like the dollar cost available to the judges as something to consider when picking the finalists.

i don't think cost should be considered.
if a tank is more appealing i don't think a lesser funded tank should prevail.

BTW, what will a DIY be priced at?

 

[Anonymous]

So someone who can have exactly the same livestock thriving but with $1 of rock and sand get no extra credit?

What if the equipment used is not available at whatever retailer's price list.

How about diy?


And are we still limited to the 10g? So the person who is capable of setting up a 55g for $250 not counting livestock is still limited to a 10g? But someone who spends say $225 of a 10g is considered just as good?

And how about maintenence costs? Do those factor into the system anywhere?

And finally how about salt costs. After all shouldn't someone be really really rewarded if they support the same livestock for $2 in salt costs over 6 months whereas someone else spends $50 for salt in the same time supporting the same livestock?

this is the perfect example of how i think this will get complicated if we have a ceiling on purchases.

if ite that way, then whos to say someone just didnt use pics from their display tank?

:?

 

[Anonymous]

Okay, when someone figures the rules out let me know and I am certain I will come up with an entry.

 

[Anonymous]

My thinking of the dollar tracking is not for setting limits. I think this should be open to anybody and size any dollar limit. I would just like the dollar cost available to the judges as something to consider when picking the finalists.

i don't think cost should be considered.
if a tank is more appealing i don't think a lesser funded tank should prevail.

BTW, what will a DIY be priced at?

if cost for equipemtn isnt considered- that wont be a problem- just have a basic list of usable equipment.

 

[Anonymous]

What would we want

What should the maximum tank size be? 10, 15, 20 gallon or other?
How long should it last 9 months?
What do we need to keep track of? If we got something from established tank or new? Growth? Costs? Nothing?
What is the judging criteria? Just how it looks? How it ends vs how it starts? Cost vs Looks? multiple criteria?
Who should pick the finalists? Mods?

Anything else?

 

[Anonymous]

My thinking of the dollar tracking is not for setting limits. I think this should be open to anybody and size any dollar limit. I would just like the dollar cost available to the judges as something to consider when picking the finalists.

i don't think cost should be considered.
if a tank is more appealing i don't think a lesser funded tank should prevail.

BTW, what will a DIY be priced at?

if cost for equipemtn isnt considered- that wont be a problem- just have a basic list of usable equipment.

agreed.

 

[danmhippo]

I think there is another way to resolve the cost factor.

If we would to take a few online store as the cost reference. Whatever equip/livestock we get has to be listed on such online store and use the published price as the cost in the final calculation.

Example:
We bought a maxijet powerhead at a mom and pop LFS around the corner at a extremely cheap price, but since Maxijet 600 at Dr Foster and Smith is listed as $15.99. Then this will be the price of my calculation

Example:
I used a Green mushroom rock off of my tank. Even though I got it for free (from my established tank), but Liveaquaria has listed the green mushroom rock medium at $34.99. Then I have to use this price as the basis of the calculation.

The rule is to use a common price reference. I chose Dr Foster not because I think it's a great store, but they do carry diversified selection, and if we could pull this game off using stuffs that can only be found on Dr. Foster, it would prove to the newcomers that a budget reef tank is not impossible.

 

[danmhippo]

Everything we use for this game has to be a listed item on the online store we all agree on.

NO DIY's, unless all material you used for DIY are found at the referenced online store.

This has to be a fair game, or it loses the purpose.

Choice of the reference store should include a homedepot type of hardware store.